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	And Review Board, Sullivan's Island.	00:00:04
	June 18th.	00:00:07
	2025 it is now 402 PM.	00:00:09
	At the town hall.	00:00:13
	The board members in attendance are Phil Clark, Ron Koish.	00:00:15
	Beverly Bohan.	00:00:20
	And Bunkie Wickman.	00:00:21
	The Freedom of Information requirements have been met for this meeting.	00:00:23
	The next item on the agenda is the approval of the May 2120 five 2025 minutes I move that we accept as submitted.	00:00:28
	2nd.	00:00:37
	All in favor.	00:00:39
	Approved minutes.	00:00:41
	For May, the next item is the public.	00:00:42
	Input and this is generally speaking.	00:00:46
	Not particular to any agenda item.	00:00:49
	This would be just if you wanted to take the podium state your name and.	00:00:53
	Address and make a general comment.	00:00:58
	Public comment is closed.	00:01:02
	The next is agenda item is the process for design review.	00:01:05
	Tonight will be this afternoon will be very important that we adhere to all of these.	00:01:10
	Items. Umm.	00:01:15
	Simply because we have.	00:01:17
	A large agenda and.	00:01:19
	We want to make sure that everybody is heard.	00:01:23
	The statement of matters are to be heard, announced by myself, the Chair.	00:01:26
	Followed by the town staff presentation.	00:01:31
	Of 5 minutes.	00:01:35
	Presented by the applicant of 10 minutes.	00:01:37
	And then the public comment will be two minutes per person.	00:01:40
	And you'll have one time to speak only.	00:01:44
	And then it will be followed by the board QA, which may occur at any point in time during this hearing.	00:01:48
	And then there will be a public comment will be closed.	00:01:56
	And the board will deliberate and vote. And I would ask you not to.	00:01:59
	Cross examination anyone on the board while we are?	00:02:04
	Deliberating and voting.	00:02:07
	And while you are presenting.	00:02:09
	So we'll start.	00:02:13
	The consent agenda items, Charles.	00:02:16
	Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, we have two items on the consent agenda this evening.	00:02:21
	The board may approve these by title only. The first one is 2118 Atlantic Ave. where Clark Ferguson of Clark Ferguson Architects	00:02:27
	is requesting final approval to renovate.	00:02:32
	And put an addition on this existing home with one wrong request and that's for additional principal building square footage.	00:02:37
	The second item on the consent agenda is 1420 Thompson Ave. where Heather Wilson of Heather A Wilson Architect.	00:02:44
	Is requesting final approval of renovation and addition plans.	00:02:51
	For this existing home with a request for additional principal building square footage and additional principal building coverage	00:02:55
	area.	00:02:58
	OK.	00:03:03
	So do you want to explain possibly?	00:03:05
	Since the public hasn't seen this agenda item on our.	00:03:08
	Agenda before if you want to explain briefly, yes. So the consent agenda means is.	00:03:13
	These are items that the board has reviewed.	00:03:21
	Previously and provided comment to the applicant.	00:03:23
	Those comments were generally.	00:03:27
	Are generally a minor nature and staff has reviewed the.	00:03:29
	Subsequent submittal and found that those.	00:03:34
	Comments have been addressed appropriately and is recommending that.	00:03:37
	These can be.	00:03:41
	Approved just by title only, without having a full review from the board again.	00:03:42
	Great. Thank you.	00:03:48
	I make a motion unless there's someone here.	00:03:50
	That wants to speak on it for.	00:03:52
	Final consent approval for 2118 Atlantic Ave.	00:03:54
	And 1420 Thompson Ave.	00:03:57
	Before we do that, we'll have public comment.	00:04:00
	Do I?	00:04:04
	Yeah, I think if there's an objection from the public, then that would.	00:04:06
	I think that caused this to be something that we need to discuss further, so yeah.	00:04:12
	Public comment on either of these projects.	00:04:16
	Public comment is closed.	00:04:20
	Motion Make a motion for consent approval.	00:04:22
	2118 Atlantic Ave. in 1420.	00:04:25
	Thompson Ave. Second.	00:04:28
	Discussion.	00:04:30
	All in favor.	00:04:32
	Approved consent items.	00:04:34
	All right.	00:04:38
	Next item is the historic design reviews.	00:04:43
	All right, first item on the historic review is 1204 Middle St.	00:04:46
	EE save a architects.	00:04:52
	ETC. It requests A conceptual review of plans for the renovations to this historic church office building, a Sullivans Island	00:04:54
	landmark property.	00:04:58
	And the demolition and new construction of the non historic parish hall.	00:05:02
	Both located on the same parcel.	00:05:07
	Here's an aerial of the.	00:05:11
	Property. This is the historic building up front.	00:05:14
	Church offices and this is the non historic parish hall with the large metal roof there.	00:05:17
	Umm. Here's the historic resource map.	00:05:25
	The Parish Office building is a Seldom Island landmark property.	00:05:30
	And, umm.	00:05:35
	It is within the Solomon's Island or the Moultrieville Local and National Register historic districts.	00:05:37
	Interestingly, that line.	00:05:44
	Boundary for the historic districts cuts through the middle of this parcel. It's the only parcel I've found that has that unique	00:05:46
	feature.	00:05:50
	And the.	00:05:53
	Parish Hall Building is located outside of the district.	00:05:56
	Here's posting on the property advertising the hearing this evening.	00:06:02
	And here are some pictures taken of the parish hall from the front.	00:06:07
	And the street side and towards the rear.	00:06:13
	And this shows you the adjacency to the.	00:06:17
	Neighboring single family use.	00:06:20
	Here's another aerial close in on the property.	00:06:25
	You can see the Stall marriage church in the foreground.	00:06:28
	And then this is the parcel map showing.	00:06:32
	The parcel outline.	00:06:35
	So here's the existing site plan.	00:06:38
	With the existing parish hall.	00:06:40
	And the existing parish offices.	00:06:42
	And this is the proposed site plan which.	00:06:45
	As a new footprint for the parish hall, pulling it a.	00:06:49
	Out of the rear set back where the.	00:06:54
	Current halls located in the roof set back and.	00:06:56
	Improving the set back situation along this side to side where it's currently 8.	00:07:00
	From the.	00:07:05
	Property line with the visitor Center for the for.	00:07:07
	And would move it to 10 feet off that property line.	00:07:09
	This is the.	00:07:17
	Facades for the historic structure only.	00:07:19
	Change to The exterior of this building is in the rear where.	00:07:23
	New stairs off the back would be.	00:07:29
	Added to create a courtyard.	00:07:33
	Between the two buildings.	00:07:35
	Kind of kind of connecting them by a porch, essentially.	00:07:37
	And then you can see.	00:07:45
	More of that change on the.	00:07:47
	On the rear facade here.	00:07:50
	And this is the.	00:07:56
	Proposed.	00:07:58
	New construction for the parish hall.	00:08:00
	Replacing the existing one.	00:08:03
	Here you can see that.	00:08:06
	Facade along Station 12.	00:08:08
	And this is the.	00:08:12
	The rear facade that faces the that would face the residential home.	00:08:13
	This is the.	00:08:19
	Facade that faces towards the rear of the.	00:08:21
	Historic building and then this is.	00:08:24
	The facade that faces the Fort.	00:08:27
	Here's some.	00:08:33
	3D perspectives of it from the street.	00:08:36
	You can see how it kind of hides behind the.	00:08:40
	Historic building and then behind the church as you go past it.	00:08:43
	This is a request to replace the existing.	00:08:50
	Historic Parish Hall for the stall. Myers Campus.	00:08:54
	It's on the same property with the parish offices that are historic landmark property from.	00:08:59
	Around 1930.	00:09:05
	The BCA earlier this month granted variances to the residential.	00:09:07
	Standards to allow the construction of this building they've.	00:09:12
	Created coverage variances that will allow the principal building square footage, principal building coverage area.	00:09:18
	And impervious surface areas that are being proposed for the building.	00:09:23
	As well as set back variances to the side setbacks, the side facade articulations in the second stories side facade articulations.	00:09:28
	These variances have established.	00:09:40
	Existing conditions as conformities on the lot.	00:09:44
	So there are no nonconformities.	00:09:48
	This is the initial review by the board applicants requesting conceptual review to get feedback and not necessarily seeking an	00:09:52
	approval this evening.	00:09:56
	The Board should consider the relationship between the historic structure on the property.	00:10:01
	In the greater church campus.	00:10:05
	Through the lens of the newly adopted Historic Design Guidelines Manual and the Secretary of Interior Standards Guidelines.	00:10:07
	And also consider the impacts with the surround.	00:10:14
	Within the surrounding Rs district to ensure that the standards of neighborhood compatibility are followed.	00:10:17
	Since the variances were granted for many of the guidelines.	00:10:24
	That would have been.	00:10:28
	Ultimately, beyond the Board's prior view to grant, there are no relief requests with this application.	00:10:30
	Is there some points from our?	00:10:38
	Our new.	00:10:41
	Guidelines booklet which.	00:10:43
	Didn't really consider.	00:10:47
	Outbuildings of this nature.	00:10:49
	In the Rs district so.	00:10:52
	It's hard to find any tease out any pieces but.	00:10:54
	I thought these two pieces.	00:10:57
	Kind of spoke to what we're.	00:10:59
	Discussing here and citing new outbuildings on the lot appropriately.	00:11:01
	Locating them to the rear of the dwelling.	00:11:06
	Or set back from the side elevations and.	00:11:09
	This building is located to the rear.	00:11:11
	And then?	00:11:14
	Efforts should be made to.	00:11:15
	Site wheelchair ramps.	00:11:17
	And safety features. And accessibility features.	00:11:19
	And visually unobtrusive location and as you can see in this.	00:11:24
	Image they're proposing that ramp.	00:11:30
	Into the historic building on the rear of it.	00:11:34
	So.	00:11:38
	Staff recommends that we provide.	00:11:45
	Feedback to the applicant this evening.	00:11:47
	As as requested for the conceptual review.	00:11:49
	Thank you.	00:11:53
	Eddie.	00:11:56
	I'm going to switch the presentation over to this.	00:12:01
	Thank you.	00:12:05
	Good evening Eddie Favor with the E favorite architects. Thank you all for being here this evening.	00:12:09
	And hearing our presentation.	00:12:13
	And, and, Madam Chair, I know you mentioned you all look tight on time and I promise you will go as quickly as possible. We have.	00:12:16
	Two buildings that I know are of significant importance. So if we run a minute or two over if that's OK, but we'll do our best to.	00:12:21
	Compress I know you'll stay within the guidelines of our.	00:12:27
	Policies. Thank you. Yes.	00:12:30
	So just by way of introduction the property that.	00:12:33
	Whereas and.	00:12:38
	Its associated properties are located or.	00:12:39
	Osceola and 1204 Middle.	00:12:42
	As designated in the red dotted line area.	00:12:44
	The area that we're Speaking of presently or tonight is the one where the new hall will be replaced, the old one that is shaded in	00:12:47
	Gray.	00:12:50
	Um, a Stella Maris timeline and a little bit tongue in cheek, but the fact of the matter that you can see we started in 1845 just	00:12:54
	because that's when the Paris was established. There's a long standing.	00:13:00
	Historic connection to this property.	00:13:05
	Fast forward, obviously, to.	00:13:07
	A year or two ago when we started moving forward with this project, which all had seen the relocation of the Shill House, which	00:13:10
	was one of the historic properties that the church had owned.	00:13:14
	And was relocated.	00:13:18
	Move forward slightly.	00:13:21
	And is being renovated presently.	00:13:23
	We were two year board twice, the first time just to review the conceptual plan, the second.	00:13:26
	To review the plan as the potential parking area at the rear would layout conceptually.	00:13:31
	So both of those moved forward and on May 8.	00:13:35
	Of this year, we were to the Board of Zoning Appeals where we were granted the religious designation for the property.	00:13:39
	Which many of the properties on the island either have formally or informally. This this allowed that to happen.	00:13:45
	For this property.	00:13:50
	In the interim, we met with the community.	00:13:52
	And their extended neighbors.	00:13:55
	As well and then followed up with the most recent zoning.	00:13:58
	Board meeting where we were granted variances.	00:14:01
	All related to existing non conforming conditions, mostly because all of the zoning ordinances.	00:14:04
	Relate specifically to residential structures.	00:14:09
	So I'm going to run through just very quickly site context.	00:14:13
	Everybody, I'm sure, is familiar with it, but.	00:14:16
	The building is located halfway down Station 12.	00:14:18
	And abuts the National Park.	00:14:22
	And that institutional use in the parking area there, tucked behind the historic structure.	00:14:24
	And a budding residential property to the rear.	00:14:29
	Current views of it.	00:14:34
	Presently, or at least the site area would be sitting behind.	00:14:36
	The Fort building.	00:14:40
	And you can see in the bottom left the roof.	00:14:42
	Of the current call where the new hall would go, which again but the park area buffered by the live oaks.	00:14:45
	The areas are in the in the zone of the landmark properties.	00:14:53
	And as Charles had indicated, the area where the.	00:14:57
	Hall will be replaced is not such, Needless to say, because of its current status.	00:15:01
	Views of the property as it is presently with the church in the foreground the the.	00:15:07
	Sun in the rear behind the church is literally where the building will sit behind that.	00:15:15
	The block over.	00:15:20
	From Middle St. as you come down behind 1204 Middle St. which are currently parish offices and will be restored as such.	00:15:21
	And further down Osceola.	00:15:28
	1118 which has been renovated and restored. The current rectory at 11:12 which has been.	00:15:30
	Renovated and restored with a small addition.	00:15:35
	And the non historic structure at the rear of the property off of Osceola has been removed.	00:15:38
	I'll let Joel speak a little bit to the history.	00:15:46
	I'm going to go very quickly through this, but the the square joining the church was in 1871.	00:15:49
	Named by the Committee of Lots in honor of Father Birmingham who built the existing square here, so there's obviously been a long	00:15:56
	standing use.	00:15:59
	You can see the historic views of the structure, especially the limited development that's occurred around it, that.	00:16:03
	From 19/10/1940 and what exists today, you can see the small scale structures that are on the lot.	00:16:09
	There's been a significant development around it with the base hospital, other buildings, but as you look at the lots that	00:16:15
	currently surround the church.	00:16:18
	And its iconic view, that's one of the important areas that we felt like needed to be isolated and respected.	00:16:22
	As you look at the existing conditions.	00:16:28
	There are the existing historic house which Charles referenced. There is the existing parish hall.	00:16:30
	Which is a metal frame building and significant disrepair which cannot actually be repaired with any subcontractors or anyone that	00:16:35
	will work on it so.	00:16:39
	It needs to be taken down and replaced with a building that can actually serve its purpose.	00:16:44
	There's existing impervious asphalt parking.	00:16:49
	Is between both buildings. That's on the lot.	00:16:51
	Behind the church that runs right up to the church and in front of the church where the curb has been paved over.	00:16:54
	You can see there's existing plant buffers buffering the.	00:17:01
	The Port Moultrie visitor site, which allows for kind of a visual screening of that facade and a natural place for us to site the	00:17:05
	building. There's also planted buffers to the residential neighbor at the rear and along the rear of the property.	00:17:11
	And the historic rehabilitation which is the building isolated in the red.	00:17:18
	Dash. Here you can see that the existing form of the building is relatively pure and.	00:17:22
	In our restoration of this project.	00:17:28
	Suggesting.	00:17:32
	Any expansion of the footprint?	00:17:33
	The the church has been a good steward of the property.	00:17:35
	And they have restored 1 landmark structure. They're currently restoring another landmark structure and they would be treating	00:17:38
	this the same way.	00:17:42
	I think there's few people that are dealing with three landmark structures and they've done so in a way to really serve the	00:17:46
	community.	00:17:49
	As you look at the.	00:17:53
	The the plan here you can see the difference between the buildings. The existing layout of the room suited very well for offices,	00:17:54
	and we're really preserving the existing layout almost in its entirety there.	00:18:00
	The only change is to the rear of the structure, which is required by code for the ADA ramp that's there and allows access to the	00:18:05
	structure. I'll turn it back over to Eddie for the Parish Center.	00:18:10
	Thank you, Joel.	00:18:17
	So for the proposed parish center, the last time the DRV saw it.	00:18:18
	We were looking at existing conditions and what was.	00:18:24
	Going to happen conceptually and we follow through with that plan. These are the existing conditions. The red dotted line	00:18:27
	indicates where the new hall will go.	00:18:30
	Current Hall, as we say, kind of an 80s Butler building and just for everybody's information and reference as well.	00:18:35
	Current condition which is not the.	00:18:40
	Greatest of states.	00:18:43
	And and so many things about it don't meet code in addition to circulation handicap access bathrooms.	00:18:44
	All of those type of things which would be addressed in the new proposal.	00:18:51
	Some of the things that I think are worth saying, and I know we mentioned it easy A meetings for those who hadn't been there,	00:18:54
	there had been a lot of kind of.	00:18:58
	Talk or otherwise that 7 Mayors Hall would be the largest building on the island. It's definitely not and we can document that and	00:19:01
	show you.	00:19:05
	Increase water would.	00:19:09
	Inevitably result from raising land elevation. It cannot legally, so that will not happen.	00:19:11
	And Stella Maris is.	00:19:17
	Not planning to build a big hall to grow their numbers in any way shape or form.	00:19:20
	The other thing which I think is incredibly important is all of the immediately abutting adjacent neighbors.	00:19:24
	Are all in very strong support of this current proposal.	00:19:28
	Quickly just to reference scale for those that may not have to deal with it often.	00:19:32
	And the kind of thought this was a large building.	00:19:36
	In reference to the school, that's our current.	00:19:39
	Footprint. And that's the school building.	00:19:42
	So big difference in size and square footage.	00:19:45
	Similarly, just for reference with another.	00:19:49
	Religious institution.	00:19:52
	Well done and nestled in, albeit years ago.	00:19:54
	Holy Cross.	00:19:57
	Our building is is so compared to some of their support buildings where they have.	00:19:59
	Total of 31,000 square feet and we're at 17 with cars.	00:20:03
	All of them I think work well and it's not to disparage any of them. I just think it's a different situation and we've been able	00:20:07
	to address a little bit better on our siding.	00:20:11
	One of the things that we think is important as we move forward with design too.	00:20:15
	Is all of these parish buildings, religious institutions and otherwise are?	00:20:19
	Or background buildings. The church is the star, the historic.	00:20:23
	Buildings are the star.	00:20:27
	And it really shouldn't be something that screams or calls for attention.	00:20:28
	All of these other institutions have.	00:20:33
	Have support facilities and they adjacent to their religious structures.	00:20:36
	And we did, ironically enough, even as.	00:20:41
	Follow many of the guidelines that y'all had adopted recently, although they had been written in stone. They're just good	00:20:44
	practice.	00:20:47
	Namely, a new building or addition reflects its own period of construction, representing the vitality and evolution of the	00:20:50
	historic district overtime.	00:20:53
	And again, with this building, be it.	00:20:58
	Background buildings or otherwise, that's something that lets Stella Mirrors be the star of the show.	00:21:01
	All of that, we felt like, also needed to be adopted to Sullen Island.	00:21:07
	So again.	00:21:11
	The larger structures, the ones that are done well on historic precedent.	00:21:12
	Are modulated with porch elements or overhangs.	00:21:16
	Simple facades, things of that nature, whether they were done.	00:21:20
	Long ago were such as the base hospital, even further beyond that.	00:21:24
	Some of the things that hadn't been done in the last.	00:21:29
	Couple decades didn't have the guidelines and the other things to abide by, so that's just for reference of what's there	00:21:32
	presently, but.	00:21:35
	Would like to think that we've.	00:21:38
	Learn from some of these things and some of the guidelines that are in place now what we're trying to follow.	00:21:40
	Materials as well would be something that's very vernacular, typical to Sullivan's Island.	00:21:45
	And of the drawings I'll saw previously.	00:21:51
	This was the proposed.	00:21:54
	Site plan diagram that was requested at that time.	00:21:56
	Where we demonstrated where the new hall would go.	00:21:59
	Pervious parking to the rear.	00:22:02
	And a green band towards the front of the property.	00:22:04
	May I go just a little while longer?	00:22:07
	I hadn't been able to present. I would appreciate it.	00:22:10
	Yeah, a few, a minute or two without do it that be enough?	00:22:12
	Yes, ma'am, I think so. I'm just gonna keep talking.	00:22:17
	So I'm sorry because it's just two big buildings in a line I understand well.	00:22:21
	We will address many of these things.	00:22:26
	When the board asks you questions. Understood. So it's not like you're not gonna say everything you want to. OK, OK, I'll. I'll do	00:22:29
	this quickly.	00:22:32
	So as previously shown to your board.	00:22:37
	That that was what was the reference plan of where we were going.	00:22:39
	Since then, the historic structure at the rear of the property was a move.	00:22:43
	And the addition off the shield house was not done, so it's even less intense.	00:22:46
	The blue line indicating the historic streetscape.	00:22:52
	Of what we are taking into consideration.	00:22:55
	And again with y'all's principles as recently adopted.	00:22:59
	Very much adhered to site placement, building height and width, scale, form, materials, details, rhythm.	00:23:02
	Diagrammatically.	00:23:08
	What was very important to us is a long Osseo in the beginning of middle, if you'll notice the band at the bottom of the drawing.	00:23:09
	That could be a green or a residential zone all along that street, anything that happens associated with the work that we're	00:23:15
	doing.	00:23:18
	Is far behind it or halfway down Station 12.	00:23:22
	Where the hall is at the top.	00:23:25
	Right of your screen.	00:23:27
	So current.	00:23:30
	Proposed plan of the new hall.	00:23:32
	The increased.	00:23:35
	Open area around the existing church and the Shill house on Osceola.	00:23:37
	Perspectives as one would drive down.	00:23:42
	Towards that direction off middle and then turning down Osceola where you would see the building in the rear.	00:23:45
	I have a floor plan that we can reference for you too and I neglected to mention but.	00:23:52
	And between the.	00:23:56
	Initial zoning and request in the second one.	00:23:58
	There was a request is there any way to reduce some of the square footage? We did so in good faith, I think by more than what what	00:24:01
	was expected. So that was well received.	00:24:05
	For reference purposes, this is the current hall.	00:24:10
	And the seating area of the new hall is what's in yellow.	00:24:13
	Datagon red is what's.	00:24:16
	Currently there, so it's not something that's growing extensively.	00:24:18
	It really is attributed significantly so.	00:24:22
	To circulation.	00:24:24
	Bathrooms, ADA facilities, as you can see by this diagram, the one on the left showing where circulation is in the current hall.	00:24:27
	And what's required in the new home? The current home does not meet any codes.	00:24:33
	I mean not any codes, but a lot of codes.	00:24:38
	Circulation and support. I won't run through all of those and the interested time but but.	00:24:40
	All of those things are listed of things that we are able to comply with in the new building and the current building does not.	00:24:45
	Very important to us was the sighting of the existing.	00:24:53
	Plant buffers.	00:24:59
	I can scroll through these.	00:25:01
	Is that all right?	00:25:03
	Are you? Are we?	00:25:05
	Getting close? Yes, ma'am.	00:25:07
	So elevations which you have in your plan?	00:25:10
	Of the great.	00:25:13
	Overlays in the front of the buildings that currently exist, so you have a scale reference and where something's already in place.	00:25:15
	Existing streetscape.	00:25:21
	Proposed streetscape where the building is to the rear.	00:25:23
	Existing streetscape.	00:25:26
	Proposed Streetscape.	00:25:27
	Proposed streetscape from Osceola.	00:25:30
	As you go down station 12, the new building as it relates to the historic structure with the 88.5 in between.	00:25:33
	From over at the church.	00:25:40
	The view of the building.	00:25:41
	And again, just I think it's important or.	00:25:44
	Reiterated that we've had very productive meetings with neighbors and most particularly those immediately adjacent to the site.	00:25:47
	Are in full support of the project.	00:25:53
	So thank you. I'm sorry for the run over. Thank you.	00:25:56
	Thank you.	00:25:59
	We'll open it up to public comment. I'll remind everyone a 2 minute per person, one time only comment.	00:26:00
	If you'll.	00:26:07
	We'll open it up now. Anyone from the public want to comment on this particular project?	00:26:09
	An agenda item? Yes Sir.	00:26:15
	If you're.	00:26:18
	Go to the podium, state your name and.	00:26:19
	Address.	00:26:21
	I'm Representative Joe Bustos. I live at 649 King Street in Mount Pleasant.	00:26:29
	And I represent Sullivan's Isle of Palms and part of Mount Pleasant.	00:26:34
	And I just want to say from my perspective, I think this enhancement.	00:26:39
	Is a wonderful addition not only to Sullivans Island.	00:26:44
	But to the entire district.	00:26:48
	And with that, I will close. Thank you, Sir.	00:26:51
	Thank you.	00:26:54
	Anyone.	00:26:59
	Public comment is closed. We'll open it up for comments.	00:27:03
	Till.	00:27:08
	Yeah, Eddie, I'd love for you to kind of.	00:27:11
	Tell us your inspiration for the architectural style.	00:27:14
	And kind of what led you to break it up, design it how it is and just if you could do a little.	00:27:17
	Architectural background and ideas for us please.	00:27:23
	Yes, Sir, absolutely.	00:27:27
	Let me get back to.	00:27:30
	I think.	00:27:32
	And I'll default to some of the principles too, as I said, which are ones we kind of abide by regularly or try to.	00:27:33
	But citing.	00:27:39
	Of the building where it was located obviously was very important because they were discussion should it go on the other property,	00:27:41
	should it go here?	00:27:43
	Halfway back.	00:27:46
	Station 12 made an awful lot of sense.	00:27:48
	It was important again that.	00:27:50
	Mr. Clark, from the street perspective and even as you turn that there's.	00:27:52
	A very clear differentiation between, you know, the historic structures and what's adjacent to it.	00:27:57
	But with that said, I think it's important that.	00:28:02
	The one that adjacent to it is the one that.	00:28:06
	Perhaps mitigates and is a buffer to the newer structure in the rear.	00:28:08
	So very much something that.	00:28:12
	Felt it would be disingenuous to try to make it look like a historic structure per.	00:28:16
	Guidelines and.	00:28:21
	Preservation standards as well.	00:28:23
	But that's not to say that it couldn't be.	00:28:24
	Very compatible.	00:28:26
	And the hall itself to the rear.	00:28:28
	Again, something we're still exploring, obviously materials, this is just for conceptual review and approval.	00:28:31
	Would be again just a background building, something that just.	00:28:36
	Is set to the rear and doesn't call attention to itself in our minds.	00:28:41
	Yeah, I mean and as you know we've we've mentioned before.	00:28:45
	Someone else was coming and wanted to design.	00:28:48
	Something like this. I'm first of all, I'm all for what needs to be done, and I'm in favor that it does need to be done.	00:28:51
	Yes, but if someone was designing something on a historic property like this.	00:28:58
	I feel like.	00:29:03
	We would probably call you in as a consultant because you are you're certainly the one that knows more about this.	00:29:06
	I feel like the the back part of the building.	00:29:12
	Maybe taking it?	00:29:14
	Too far for such a large structure, so I don't know if there's some other.	00:29:16
	More vernacular. Not necessarily replicating historic, but more vernacular.	00:29:20
	Massings breaking up the massings materials or something that could be done versus.	00:29:25
	What's there now is absolutely beautiful. I just know I don't. I'm not sure.	00:29:30
	About it.	00:29:34
	Here versus.	00:29:34
	Downtown or somewhere else that's that's that's my initial reaction. But as far as the size of it and the placement of it, I think	00:29:36
	it's very appropriate. I just.	00:29:39
	Looking at it from a historian like yourself.	00:29:43
	And and some of this well versed in the vernacular.	00:29:47
	It seems a little bit even far reaching for what I expected.	00:29:49
	And so I'm struggling with that a little bit.	00:29:53
	Yes, Sir. And if I just quickly may respond.	00:29:56
	Definitely conceptual for us, but massing was important and it wasn't something that lent itself to a.	00:29:59
	Gabled roof or this or that by virtue of.	00:30:06
	Platform, I mean the classrooms back to the rear of it.	00:30:08
	So I think fenestration we would look at.	00:30:12
	Modulating that and that's very much the intent materials as well.	00:30:15
	But that it.	00:30:18
	It did feel important that it somehow differentiated itself from something else and not try to.	00:30:20
	Mimic.	00:30:26
	I guess is what I'm getting at, but I hear your comments on something. We yeah, Saint Andrews just went through it recently, a	00:30:27
	couple years ago, were there when their structure burned. They had to rebuild it behind their historic structure. And yes, and I	00:30:31
	know there was a lot of back and forth with that one with stucco metal. Eventually they ended up doing like painted brick or	00:30:36
	something just to try to get somewhere in between. So.	00:30:41
	I whereas I think this this.	00:30:46
	The structure is absolutely gorgeous. I.	00:30:49
	I still tend to. My comment would be to try to.	00:30:51
	Soften it some. It may be a good word or a little bit more of an accident.	00:30:57
	That's like thank you.	00:31:00
	Run Eddie again.	00:31:03
	Excellent work, as you always do.	00:31:07
	Thank you, Phil. He I have pretty much the same concern and I don't think I've ever struggled with.	00:31:10
	Anything more than.	00:31:17
	This tonight.	00:31:18
	Of course we want to.	00:31:21
	Go with the flow.	00:31:23
	And get it going.	00:31:24
	My main concern was the horizontal versus vertical.	00:31:27
	It's the rhythm of the streetscape is often defined by a general vertical or horizontal feeling.	00:31:32
	Of the individual Billings buildings.	00:31:37
	New construction should respect the block's dominant vertical and horizontal orientation.	00:31:40
	It's a beautiful, beautiful building.	00:31:45
	But I think as Phil said, it does need to be softened slightly. Yes, Sir, I think you're going to get there and.	00:31:48
	We have to say this because that's what we're here for. And I, you know.	00:31:56
	Have to be true to myself.	00:32:02
	Can't just say something that I don't believe in.	00:32:04
	You're going to get there.	00:32:07
	But I think we just have a little adjustment to do to get there.	00:32:09
	Yes, Sir, it's a beautiful, beautiful design.	00:32:12
	I think that's our intent development of this forward based on y'all's comments, right? Yeah. I mean you look at it and it's like,	00:32:14
	yeah, it's.	00:32:18
	It's very modern.	00:32:22
	It's just beautiful.	00:32:25
	It's very big.	00:32:27
	And it's just.	00:32:29
	I'm struggling with.	00:32:32
	Does it really belong in the neighborhood as it is, or do we soften it a little bit to get this passed?	00:32:34
	OK, if I say a little softening.	00:32:43
	A few, you know, adjustments here and there and I think.	00:32:45
	We'll be good to go, sure.	00:32:49
	Thank you.	00:32:51
	OK.	00:32:54
	Yeah, I think that.	00:32:55
	Phil and Ron hit the nail on the head and I think.	00:32:58
	You got the message on that again conceptually.	00:33:00
	Doing a great job going the right direction. Help me the.	00:33:03
	Square footage of the existing building.	00:33:06
	To the new structure, the difference between the two.	00:33:09
	The existing building I'm going to yield on y'all.	00:33:12
	4600 square feet larger.	00:33:16
	And I'm going to go back to.	00:33:18
	This.	00:33:21
	Which was?	00:33:26
	A lot of that is attributed to.	00:33:27
	But yes, Sir, that's yeah. And your and your footprint will be the same 4600 feet.	00:33:30
	Larger I just we're is there any elevation that's what are we going to do with the elevation you're going to bring in a.	00:33:35
	Elevations of the building, Yeah. Oh, yeah. So they're in here. I just had to speed through them, I think. And I'm sorry, and I	00:33:41
	misspoke. Are you going to bring any additional dirt into Raise?	00:33:46
	The foundation inning.	00:33:52
	No more than what we're showing presently, right?	00:33:55
	Pending approvals are.	00:33:58
	Civil engineers already on board.	00:34:00
	And with y'all's direction, that's what we'll be moving forward with. But yes, Sir, it's not something that's going to be	00:34:02
	floating. I mean, so many of them are built up and have.	00:34:05
	But that was not the intent with this structure. Well, again, I guess just how much filter it's going to be brought in, are we	00:34:09
	going to and just obviously we have to work through a.	00:34:13
	You know water retention program, yes, from the and and they are 100% on board with that.	00:34:17
	And are charged with resolving it and said that it's.	00:34:24
	Absolutely doable.	00:34:26
	That it's not anything that's going to create a water problem.	00:34:28
	In fact, it will improve the drainage issues in that area, which are.	00:34:30
	Kind of abhorrent right now it's just swamped behind the church. And I understood that you got with number 402405 and 4:06.	00:34:34
	Station 12.	00:34:41
	Do I get what? I'm sorry those immediate.	00:34:44
	Property owners right adjacent to the property on.	00:34:46
	Section 12402405 and 406. Yes Sir, Sorry, I'm not sure.	00:34:49
	All of those and people beyond that that I that I don't know as well that with our the last meeting that the church held.	00:34:53
	But but every single one of those that are surrounding.	00:35:00
	The.	00:35:03
	And, and most particularly the gentleman that's impacted at Mr. Young to the rear of the building, we pulled it up.	00:35:04
	It doesn't meet the set back presently. We pulled it forward.	00:35:10
	But he spoke in very strong support of it at our zoning variance.	00:35:13
	And said to feel free to offer that support to you all again tonight. Great. OK, so 406, I think that there.	00:35:16
	Maybe this is second home possibly for them and you may not have been able to reach them possibly. I'm not sure which 1406 It's	00:35:22
	the one behind them. It's the last house on the right, but all of them are going to be no I've hand delivered notes to.	00:35:29
	Everybody that you see there and the one beyond.	00:35:36
	And didn't get responses from a lot of them. So I know father reached out to some of them personally, tried to walk back there. So	00:35:39
	there was a genuine effort and then there was a meeting note sent out.	00:35:44
	Between the last two.	00:35:48
	E-mail to everybody to invite anybody present so.	00:35:50
	Well, I I agree with Ron.	00:35:53
	We can get through this, it's going to be great and we're looking forward to the new improvement.	00:35:55
	When we finally get it through. So thank you. That's all I have, Madam Chairman.	00:35:59
	Thank you.	00:36:02
	I do want to make a note during public comment that there are two letters.	00:36:04
	In favor one from.	00:36:10
	Psycho and Rob Baiko.	00:36:12
	And John Winchester in favor of and then a concern from David Russell.	00:36:15
	And they will speak at a later meeting.	00:36:20
	So.	00:36:25
	Charles.	00:36:26
	If you could pull up 24.0 new construction additions.	00:36:28
	Yes.	00:36:37
	So my concerns.	00:36:42
	Is the vernacular.	00:36:45
	Of the island.	00:36:48
	And how the new building I know you will get there.	00:36:50
	But I think.	00:36:55
	This when I first looked at it.	00:36:57
	And I've been doing this.	00:36:59
	All my life in terms of.	00:37:01
	You know.	00:37:03
	Construction, renovations, different, you know, buildings. Mostly commercial.	00:37:04
	That it looked like the Bennett Hotel, the Federal building downtown.	00:37:11
	It has that feeling to it.	00:37:15
	And my first thought was, is there going to be a school?	00:37:18
	In this location.	00:37:23
	Was the reason for the additional square footage.	00:37:25
	And while I understand there are other buildings on the island.	00:37:28
	This is not a school.	00:37:33
	It's a church, you know, It's a place of worship.	00:37:35
	It's it's a place of there'll be, there'll be classrooms and and people worshipping.	00:37:41
	Or classrooms in there.	00:37:48
	You know the new building seems.	00:37:52
	In my opinion.	00:37:55
	If you look at 24.	00:37:57
	My concerns were.	00:37:59
	24.	00:38:03
	.024 point 2 and 24.3.	00:38:04
	And the mass and the materials.	00:38:09
	I think that.	00:38:12
	Changing, you know, one of the things that I did a study, I was looking at the different.	00:38:13
	Larger buildings, churches as well.	00:38:19
	And, umm.	00:38:23
	The classrooms of Holy Cross and and did a study and.	00:38:24
	They're broken up as we ask for.	00:38:28
	The same in houses when, you know, we look at the historic house and then we look at the.	00:38:32
	House that's being.	00:38:37
	Built behind it and we always say we don't want it to dwarf and we don't want it to override and.	00:38:38
	Draw attention away from the historic.	00:38:44
	Building and I think.	00:38:48
	In this particular instance, I think that.	00:38:50
	The proportions of the new addition should be compatible with the existing building.	00:38:53
	And height scale and size and massing so as to not overpower it visually.	00:38:58
	A new addition should never be taller, wider than the original structure.	00:39:04
	Unless it's required and I understand that you've done.	00:39:09
	You know you've gotten some approvals.	00:39:12
	But 24.3 it should be compatible in terms of the material.	00:39:14
	Different, but the spacing of the windows and the doors and I think those are really important keys.	00:39:19
	Um, so while that.	00:39:27
	Talks a little bit more to additions for residential.	00:39:30
	I think that there are examples on the island that may be out of date.	00:39:35
	Whether it be sunrise or whether it be Holy Cross, they met the vernacular of the island.	00:39:41
	So I would, I would just say, I think that.	00:39:47
	Proportion and solid to the void ratio.	00:39:51
	Maybe going back and looking at the rhythm.	00:39:55
	The streetscape.	00:39:57
	You know, coming up and I, I know you'll do a great job.	00:39:59
	Bringing this together.	00:40:03
	So that it it looks more like.	00:40:06
	Settlements Island versus downtown.	00:40:08
	And I concur with everybody here on.	00:40:12
	On that, did you want to say something else? Yeah, I'd just like to say that.	00:40:15
	I'm so used to seeing the building that's there since the early 70s.	00:40:20
	And it's just imprinted in my brain and so many times sitting on the board, it's very difficult.	00:40:25
	To see such a giant leap to something different.	00:40:33
	And I really have to digest it and.	00:40:37
	Take into consideration what my fellow board members think as well.	00:40:39
	And you know when you have someone like Eddie drawing it?	00:40:43
	I'll say it Eddie, you one of the best.	00:40:47
	OK. And we always enjoy.	00:40:49
	Your design and your effort into every project you put in there.	00:40:50
	But I think if you.	00:40:54
	If you listen to what each one of us says, and especially Beverly with the vernacular of the island, if we that little building	00:40:56
	that you have there is absolutely gorgeous.	00:41:01
	It needs a lot of work and I know you want to rebuild and do something really nice, but again, I think by softening.	00:41:06
	And making the building look a little more like the island.	00:41:14
	I think you're going to get there pretty quick.	00:41:18
	We, I particularly support you and what you want to do, but it's my job on the board to really.	00:41:21
	Pick it apart.	00:41:28
	Really. And we do it to every.	00:41:30
	Everything that comes.	00:41:33
	By here and.	00:41:35
	That's about it.	00:41:38
	Do you have enough information from the board?	00:41:41
	OK. Thank you.	00:41:44
	All right, the next item on the agenda is 1656.	00:41:46
	When we return.	00:41:53
	They may come from preliminary people.	00:41:55
	That will be up to the design.	00:41:58
	Sure.	00:42:00
	That will be up to the design.	00:42:02
	The application is conceptual or, you know, feedback.	00:42:05
	Is another word.	00:42:09
	And then?	00:42:11
	Conceptual Movement.	00:42:13
	We do not give approval on this preliminary or it's not preliminary this conceptual presentation.	00:42:14
	So it depends on the.	00:42:22
	Design.	00:42:24
	What the next review will be?	00:42:26
	And.	00:42:29
	OK.	00:42:32
	One more thing. Sure.	00:42:33
	This may be out of.	00:42:35
	Father, would you like to say a few words?	00:42:38
	Just wanted to give you the opportunity.	00:42:43
	This Wednesday.	00:42:47
	Yeah, we're behind you 100%.	00:42:49
	We're done, right? Yes.	00:42:53
	We'll let you leave and then we'll go to the next agenda item.	00:42:56
	We have.	00:43:03
	I appreciate it.	00:43:08
	Thank you for listening.	00:43:12
	It's good.	00:43:17
	Thank you. Thank you.	00:43:21
	This just gives you.	00:43:24
	Thank you.	00:43:30
	Hey, Eddie.	00:43:32
	I say this with all respect.	00:43:34
	You can do better.	00:43:37
	I'm I know.	00:43:40
	I know, yeah, change it. But I know you can do better.	00:43:43
	I'm serious.	00:43:50
	And I say it with all respect.	00:43:52
	Hey.	00:43:56
	OK. All right. OK.	00:43:59
	OK.	00:44:01
	Excuse me?	00:44:04
	John.	00:44:07
	OK, next agenda item.	00:44:13
	Right, 1656 Atlantic Ave.	00:44:17
	Thank you, Madam Chair.	00:44:20
	Mr. Clark will recuse himself from this item and.	00:44:22
	As such.	00:44:26
	We'll only be able to review this.	00:44:28
	And provide feedback. We cannot take a vote on the item this evening.	00:44:30
	I'll shut that door.	00:44:36
	So we have a.	00:44:41
	1656 Atlantic Ave. where Bryce Ritchie of Clark Design Group is requesting A conceptual review for renovations to this existing	00:44:43
	home, with a request for additional principal building square footage.	00:44:49
	And principal building coverage area.	00:44:54
	Here's an aerial showing the properties location on Atlantic Ave. mid block Mid block between Station 16 1/2 and Station 17.	00:44:59
	On the opposite side from the ocean.	00:45:07
	This is the historic resource map. You see this property.	00:45:11
	Is a traditional island resource. It was.	00:45:16
	Designated as such last March by this board.	00:45:19
	So outside of any of the historic districts of the town.	00:45:23
	Here's the posting on this property advertising the hearing this evening.	00:45:28
	And on your left you'll see the existing floor plan of the first floor and the proposed.	00:45:35
	Plan for the first floor.	00:45:42
	Taking away these.	00:45:45
	Kind of octagonal.	00:45:48
	Elements squaring those corners.	00:45:51
	Removing this sunroom and replacing it with the rear porch and.	00:45:56
	Portion of the master suite coming.	00:46:01
	Filling in some of that porch area on the side.	00:46:04
	With some extra.	00:46:07
	Livable space.	00:46:08
	And from a facade view.	00:46:12
	Front Facade. This is the existing facade.	00:46:15
	And this is the proposed facade you can see on the 2nd floor that be removing that balcony.	00:46:18
	Then removing this deck on the left hand side and kind of mirroring the porch on.	00:46:23
	The right hand side with the new porch on the left.	00:46:29
	This is an initial review for conceptual review by the board to give feed get feedback.	00:46:37
	As I've stated, this came to the Board in March of 2024 and was designated as historic resource and there were some.	00:46:44
	Approved renovations primarily to the rear porches at that time.	00:46:51
	Current request is to modify those porches on the building, removing the side decking, wrapping the front porch around.	00:46:56
	Removing some heated infill on the rear and replacing it with the covered porch that matches the front porch.	00:47:02
	The applicants requesting small increases in principal building square footage and coverage area to meet these requests. The	00:47:11
	principal building square footage increase is only 39 square feet.	00:47:16
	And the principal building coverage area increase would only be 82 square feet.	00:47:23
	The applicant intends to maintain the historic structure and the changes will only affect non historic components of the home.	00:47:31
	And the proposed design will also require a side facade relief to allow the side facade that has a linear length greater than 38	00:47:37
	feet without articulation.	00:47:42
	The proposed distance between the front porch and the rear of the house.	00:47:47
	On the western facade is 45 feet 9 inches.	00:47:50
	This would represent a 20% increase that is within the.	00:47:53
	Towards purview to.	00:47:57
	Grant that as well.	00:47:59
	The encroachment into the side set back on the western elevation is an existing condition, and as the property is historic, that	00:48:01
	is a conforming condition.	00:48:05
	So these are those.	00:48:10
	This is not the relief request.	00:48:13
	Yes, there.	00:48:16
	One percent 39 square feet for 3062 square foot house.	00:48:17
	And then coverage area increasing by one percent, 82 square feet to go to 2162.	00:48:22
	Staff recommends that the board review and provide feedback to move this design toward final approval.	00:48:29
	Thank you, Charles.	00:48:35
	Good afternoon. I'm Bryce with the Clark Design Group.	00:48:37
	Reviewing 1656 Atlantic Ave.	00:48:40
	In our set we have our survey just looking at.	00:48:48
	Lot size and getting the 1st.	00:48:51
	Picture of what is existing on site.	00:48:54
	Historical background So back in March of 24, we had.	00:48:58
	Butler presentation or.	00:49:02
	Preservation.	00:49:04
	Do a historic report on.	00:49:05
	The structure.	00:49:08
	And basically what we found is.	00:49:09
	The original massing or original building was located in Moultrieville.	00:49:11
	It was part of the.	00:49:16
	The church.	00:49:19
	The and it was used as a schoolhouse.	00:49:20
	Off of Ocella Ave. So that was the original location and then?	00:49:24
	In the 1980s it was saved and there was even an article in the paper.	00:49:29
	How it was then moved and.	00:49:35
	Remodeled as a residence off of Atlantic.	00:49:37
	Looking at some photos.	00:49:44
	As seen from the front of the house, the rear.	00:49:46
	And also the driveway.	00:49:49
	Most everything that we can see is.	00:49:52
	Around the 1980s and after so.	00:49:56
	A lot of renovations have been done.	00:49:58
	Especially on the outside.	00:50:01
	Porches have been added stairs.	00:50:03
	Really. From the report, the most historic.	00:50:06
	Part of the building.	00:50:09
	Is the heart pine floors on the inside and then also just.	00:50:10
	That main massing. So we'll look at some drawings that kind of explain that.	00:50:14
	We wanted to kind of show.	00:50:20
	The floor plans next to each other, comparing.	00:50:22
	What is existing on the left and then what we had previously designed and proposed?	00:50:24
	And then?	00:50:30
	What we are proposing now?	00:50:32
	Same thing comparing elevation so.	00:50:36
	What was existing or what is existing now?	00:50:39
	Previously submitted.	00:50:42
	And, umm.	00:50:43
	Than what we're proposing.	00:50:45
	For the elevations.	00:50:47
	I think one comment and we can look at this further.	00:50:49
	Is.	00:50:52
	We're just infilling the porches and kind of.	00:50:53
	Creating something that matches.	00:50:56
	A lot more of the house at one point when we.	00:50:59
	Previously.	00:51:02
	Umm, designed. We had.	00:51:04
	In addition, off the back and and now the square footage is a bit less and it's mostly enclosed porch.	00:51:06
	Looking at the front Facade 2, we will talk more about it.	00:51:14
	But the Porsches are more equal in size. I know it was a comment last time that.	00:51:17
	Part of the new was a bit.	00:51:22
	Heavy and a bit extended on one side, so we address that as well.	00:51:23
	I'm just looking at the other elevations, comparing each side.	00:51:29
	What was existing?	00:51:32
	Previously submitted and then proposed.	00:51:34
	Getting into the site plan.	00:51:39
	So this is existing.	00:51:41
	Think the biggest thing?	00:51:43
	To note is.	00:51:44
	There's a large non pervious.	00:51:46
	Drive and there is some watershed and some water collection because of this.	00:51:49
	Our principal, Phil, had reached out to the neighbors on both sides.	00:51:55
	And kind of talked about.	00:51:58
	The stormwater and how we are proposing to drain the site.	00:52:00
	That was a concern that.	00:52:04
	We kind of have a preliminary.	00:52:06
	Drainage Plan 4 and.	00:52:09
	I think the two biggest things and we'll talk about it in the.	00:52:11
	Proposed is.	00:52:14
	Umm, towards the lot 1650 there was an existing ditch that we are now.	00:52:17
	Kind of.	00:52:23
	Going to re landscape and open up for drainage on that side.	00:52:24
	And we are also now proposing doing a pervious driveway.	00:52:28
	And then also.	00:52:32
	Some drainage.	00:52:35
	With a French drain essentially in a basin that goes around the building.	00:52:37
	And drains to that pervious driveway. So we're really taking care of all the water that's going to be collecting on site.	00:52:41
	Nice.	00:52:47
	So looking for that, the ground floor plan.	00:52:50
	What's existing? Just talking about removing those.	00:52:54
	Octagonal.	00:52:57
	Sides of the porches.	00:52:58
	And that is the biggest kind of demolition there. Also the stairs in the rear we are also proposing to remove.	00:53:00
	Proposed.	00:53:08
	We're adding the pervious driveway.	00:53:10
	And then also a new rear stair that.	00:53:12
	Is worked into the porch.	00:53:15
	Existing first floor plan.	00:53:20
	So.	00:53:22
	You can see more in detail the different rooms porch sizes.	00:53:23
	Kind of the layout of what is existing now.	00:53:28
	And.	00:53:33
	Showing existing first floor plan diagram you can see.	00:53:35
	Original umm.	00:53:38
	Panel door with sidelights, that's in the front. So that is one part that is also historic that.	00:53:40
	Is original. All the other windows have been replaced.	00:53:45
	You can see by the solid green and green shading.	00:53:49
	What that original historic massing is. So that's the main massing the building.	00:53:52
	And then all the 1980s editions around that have been the porches, the stairs.	00:53:57
	Pretty much.	00:54:02
	The entire going around the entire building.	00:54:03
	Including an enclosed.	00:54:06
	Square footage of a bathroom and a sunroom on the rear.	00:54:09
	So we really.	00:54:16
	Wanted to study like all of the windows and justice make sure that.	00:54:17
	They were not historic and they were not. They were 1980s windows.	00:54:22
	Except for the front door, which.	00:54:27
	Is going to remain.	00:54:29
	And even though they are.	00:54:31
	Not historic. We kind of wanted to keep the same locations of a lot of the windows, especially as seen from the front.	00:54:33
	So we just.	00:54:39
	Took a look at each window.	00:54:40
	Sizes and study each one to make sure.	00:54:42
	This is the demo plan for the first floor plan.	00:54:46
	Getting more into depth about.	00:54:49
	Some of the rooms we are adjusting.	00:54:51
	Still maintain the historic massing.	00:54:53
	Proposed first floor plan.	00:54:57
	Biggest things are.	00:55:01
	We have the two bedrooms towards the back. We are now adding an open rear porch in the back.	00:55:02
	We are taking some of that heated square footage that we're taking away and adding it to the front.	00:55:09
	And sides or more of the sides?	00:55:14
	But you can see in the diagram.	00:55:16
	What was previously enclosed to be opened in the back.	00:55:18
	And then what? A shaded red is proposed new enclosure?	00:55:22
	So that's new heated square footage.	00:55:25
	We wanted to minimize how much.	00:55:28
	We are adding and we try to keep.	00:55:30
	Basically what we're taking away and opening.	00:55:33
	Adding around the same square footage back to.	00:55:36
	Kind of the program of.	00:55:39
	What the client wanted for the house.	00:55:41
	Existing 2nd floor we're not.	00:55:45
	Changing anything as second floor. However the stairs are not to code so that is one thing we're going to be remodeling.	00:55:47
	One thing too is the.	00:55:56
	2nd floor, we're going to be removing that balcony.	00:55:59
	And doors that were added and matching more of what is the rear.	00:56:02
	With the double windows.	00:56:07
	So we'll see that in elevation.	00:56:09
	So on the top is the.	00:56:15
	The front and there's the doors and balcony that we're proposing a move.	00:56:17
	Remove proposed S elevation.	00:56:21
	So really just matching that portion.	00:56:24
	And infilling it and.	00:56:26
	Also adding screen.	00:56:28
	Screen area.	00:56:30
	And the porches are a bit more.	00:56:32
	We got symmetrical.	00:56:34
	Where the design isn't so heavy on the left side.	00:56:36
	Existing waste elevation Proposed W elevation.	00:56:42
	You can see the rear porch addition that we're opening up and adding the stairs.	00:56:46
	Existing N elevation and proposed.	00:56:53
	And that's the rear.	00:56:57
	You can see the open porch in the back.	00:56:59
	The east elevation, so that is where we're requesting.	00:57:04
	That side facade relief.	00:57:09
	We are greater than the 40 feet.	00:57:11
	And.	00:57:13
	We can look at the floor plan again, but that is the master bathroom.	00:57:15
	The scullery and then.	00:57:18
	Also the dining.	00:57:20
	Some perspectives.	00:57:23
	Kind of designing as we went and showing.	00:57:25
	How is this gonna look?	00:57:28
	In perspective and from the street.	00:57:30
	And then also rendering.	00:57:35
	Trying to understand off of Atlantic what that is looking like from the street.	00:57:37
	And then also the driveway.	00:57:41
	And an idea of.	00:57:43
	The rear and the porch in the back.	00:57:45
	All right, that concludes.	00:57:49
	Presentation.	00:57:50
	Thank you, Bryce. Very well done.	00:57:53
	Is there a public comment on this particular agenda item?	00:57:56
	Public comment is closed.	00:58:02
	Bryce, can you go back to?	00:58:04
	The rendering.	00:58:08
	For the relief of the 38 feet, do you have that side?	00:58:10
	Rendered.	00:58:14
	We have a perspective, so I will go to that.	00:58:16
	Yeah, I didn't think you had the rendering.	00:58:18
	Yeah, it's upper right.	00:58:25
	And that side is facing.	00:58:32
	One of the neighbors and there's a lot of foliage there.	00:58:34
	So it's not easily seen from the street.	00:58:37
	And really, even the neighbors too. It's.	00:58:40
	It's really broken up with a lot of trees.	00:58:42
	The porch actually helps to break that.	00:58:47
	And almost creates an articulation.	00:58:51
	Effect for me anyway.	00:58:55
	I'm good with it. I think the I think the proposed is much better than the.	00:58:58
	Previously approved, yeah.	00:59:04
	Version that almost sounds like a commercial.	00:59:07
	But.	00:59:10
	But it's very well done. I I.	00:59:11
	I'm very good with it.	00:59:14
	It was 1985.	00:59:17
	Because I built.	00:59:19
	1650.	00:59:21
	Dave and Elizabeth Moffily built that house and then Stuart Johnson built the corner house We all built at the same time and it	00:59:23
	was like a house building party because we all knew each other.	00:59:28
	So they they had to go across 1650.	00:59:33
	To get this house there, and that was a little bit of an uproar, but.	00:59:38
	We created peace.	00:59:42
	In the Valley.	00:59:44
	But anyway, I love what you did. This is the way I would have done the house in the beginning.	00:59:45
	Beautiful job.	00:59:51
	And my concern too was the length, but the porch does.	00:59:53
	Create a sort of an articulation, yes.	00:59:57
	Yes, normally I would ask you to.	01:00:00
	Define something on that wall because it is rambling, but umm.	01:00:03
	The other question I have is.	01:00:08
	Neighbors. Have you spoken the neighbors and talked with them about the plan?	01:00:10
	Yes, sorry, we had called them.	01:00:15
	Actually this week and talked to both of them and they were.	01:00:18
	In favor, the only thing was yeah, addressing the drainage.	01:00:21
	This site sits a little bit lower, so I think it actually collects a lot of the water and may look like there's flooding there,	01:00:26
	but.	01:00:29
	As we move forward, we're going to have an actual drainage plan by either a landscape architect or civil engineer, so.	01:00:32
	The driveway alone is going to take care of most of.	01:00:39
	I think the lion's share of and I know.	01:00:42
	I know the flood. I see it all the time.	01:00:44
	Yeah, we were at like 38% existing and now we're down to 16%, so.	01:00:47
	Very nice.	01:00:52
	It looks like a house now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.	01:00:54
	Thank you, Bryce.	01:00:59
	Speaking of the.	01:01:01
	The pervious surface is there thought to.	01:01:03
	Take the all of the concrete out.	01:01:06
	You're going to take the drive, but you're going to leave the parking area, is that right?	01:01:10
	Correct. What's the parking area that's already covered by?	01:01:14
	The House we are proposing to leave.	01:01:18
	And then?	01:01:20
	What's exposed outside?	01:01:22
	Is going to be pervious, so.	01:01:25
	Let me just scroll back.	01:01:28
	There you go.	01:01:30
	OK. I'm misunderstood. Good. So anything you suppose is going to be perfect. That's great. Thank you.	01:01:32
	Do you have any historic, I guess a couple of questions on the historic structure.	01:01:37
	Because it is a, you know, it's a great historic structure and.	01:01:41
	Great pictures, thanks for providing those of what was in the paper and.	01:01:44
	And old historic pictures.	01:01:49
	Is there any the front stairs to the house? Is there any sort of historic?	01:01:51
	Significance as to why that's done, or is it?	01:01:56
	Or do you have any pictures or any renderings?	01:01:58
	Of how it was originally done.	01:02:01
	So the, I guess the most accurate photo that we had.	01:02:05
	Seeing was this when it was being moved so.	01:02:09
	Yeah, you don't get a lot out of that. Yeah, there there was number stare from what we could see.	01:02:13
	Maybe there was some kind of wood frame stair at one point when this house was sitting.	01:02:19
	At a lower elevation.	01:02:23
	But.	01:02:25
	All those porches that have been added in front stair have been from the 80s, yeah.	01:02:26
	Are there historic?	01:02:31
	Of the original historic structure, what's the?	01:02:33
	The base core of it is it.	01:02:37
	That one rectangle.	01:02:39
	But you're going back to, so you're gonna.	01:02:41
	You're going to pull away some of the 1980s.	01:02:43
	Addition, right?	01:02:45
	We are in fact obviously the Octagon porches and and that the main thing is the porches and then some interior walls, but.	01:02:48
	Even those interior walls aren't.	01:02:55
	Original umm.	01:02:57
	The floor plan was really changed quite a bit.	01:02:59
	Right.	01:03:01
	But we're trying not. We're not.	01:03:03
	Changing the main massing that we know is original.	01:03:06
	And the windows I was a little unclear. Are you?	01:03:09
	Going to pull all the windows and replace or is it just a select?	01:03:12
	Number that you're going to pull and replace.	01:03:15
	So they're actually in really good shape.	01:03:18
	And their wood windows? They're not.	01:03:20
	Historic, but they're made to look traditional. So, so we're proposing to keep all of those and then.	01:03:24
	Really.	01:03:31
	There are some areas where.	01:03:33
	We are going to kind of reconfigure walls and.	01:03:37
	Add some windows, but we're going to.	01:03:40
	Probably match as best as we can to what's there. Yeah, OK.	01:03:43
	Yeah, I mean, I would encourage them again, I know your your firm does good work and and I'm sure you're going to recommend to the	01:03:48
	owner the.	01:03:50
	The most appropriate windows to go there.	01:03:54
	The only other thing I think that I had was on.	01:03:56
	Page 8204 just.	01:04:00
	Again, that wall that we've got to do something with. That's, that's all. I mean, it's.	01:04:02
	Think you already acknowledge and understand that we need to break that wall up somehow.	01:04:07
	I think it's a 204 that.	01:04:12
	Yeah.	01:04:15
	Yeah, we just need to.	01:04:17
	Figure something out with that wall.	01:04:19
	And could you put another window in there?	01:04:20
	Or it's, well, you. Yeah, right, right.	01:04:26
	Umm.	01:04:31
	I think there's got to be a better way to.	01:04:35
	We wanted to treat it like.	01:04:38
	The rest of the infills and kind of.	01:04:41
	The siding do more of.	01:04:43
	Closer exposed like shiplap siding that.	01:04:47
	You can see throughout Sullivan's Island when they do infill porches.	01:04:50
	Right.	01:04:54
	And we didn't want to.	01:04:56
	Bump out anything or go past that. Can I ask you that? Yeah.	01:04:57
	I was going to ask you because that would be.	01:05:01
	You know, even a foot.	01:05:03
	Bump out even if you.	01:05:05
	Yeah. But if it's, yeah, if you're doing an infill, you could, you could maybe do something. But again, I just think, again, this	01:05:08
	is conceptual, so just.	01:05:12
	That's something. Let's study on that, OK and see and.	01:05:16
	I bet when you come back next time you're going to have something.	01:05:19
	It's going to look good and make us all happy.	01:05:22
	Yeah. Thank you. That's all I have at this time. Thank you.	01:05:27
	So I've got a little history on the windows because we said some of them.	01:05:30
	When when when the guys didn't show up for work from awfully.	01:05:34
	I'd send my brother and.	01:05:38
	One of the help is over there to help David and Elizabeth.	01:05:40
	And the front steps Funky. Nobody knew what they were doing then.	01:05:42
	And there would be a meeting between Stuart, myself and Demophiles. And they think, what do you think of this? What do you think	01:05:46
	of that? And that's what we picked out.	01:05:50
	So that's historic.	01:05:54
	1985.	01:05:56
	I think they look good, they're centered and.	01:05:58
	I mean as you go up the.	01:06:00
	It's centered on the historic door, so.	01:06:02
	Mm-hmm.	01:06:04
	We had a lot of fun doing those three houses.	01:06:07
	Nice.	01:06:09
	If you would just track the windows, I think that's real important to the board. Obviously is just.	01:06:13
	Just covering all the bases for.	01:06:21
	Each window.	01:06:24
	And the removal?	01:06:26
	Documenting everything for.	01:06:29
	Our purposes.	01:06:33
	What do we think about breaking up the wall?	01:06:35
	It it needs.	01:06:39
	Yeah.	01:06:41
	We'll look forward to seeing you in August, hopefully.	01:06:42
	Do you have enough information, Bryce?	01:06:45
	I do, yeah. OK. Thank you.	01:06:48
	Thank you very much. Appreciate it.	01:06:50
	The next item.	01:06:53
	On the agenda is Non historic Design Reviews, 2910 Jasper Blvd.	01:06:55
	Thank you, Madam Chair, 2910 Jasper Blvd. Doyle Best of Lifestyle Development, LLC requests final approval for a change of design	01:07:02
	to the plans for this new home construction.	01:07:08
	On an empty lot.	01:07:15
	This is the previously existing house that was on this property.	01:07:17
	Showing this.	01:07:22
	And here's the historic resource map. You can see this property is outside of any of the historic districts. There are a couple	01:07:24
	of.	01:07:27
	Historic properties down the street on Jasper from this parcel.	01:07:31
	And here's the.	01:07:35
	Posting advertising this hearing this evening.	01:07:37
	You can see the constructions begun on this property.	01:07:40
	They're proposing 3 changes essentially to the design.	01:07:45
	On the top of the screen you can see what was approved back in 2023.	01:07:50
	The changes are.	01:07:56
	To this.	01:07:59
	Roof shape, removing that window, pulling the roof down a little further, kind of matching the two side 2 front.	01:08:01
	Towers, uh.	01:08:09
	And then some changes to the arches on the entry.	01:08:11
	Way of squaring those.	01:08:16
	Removing the arch ways there.	01:08:20
	And then on the rear facade or the other.	01:08:23
	Changes.	01:08:25
	Again, changing those arched openings.	01:08:28
	Into the basement area to the squaring off those.	01:08:32
	Openings and then.	01:08:37
	Looks like the pool elevation is dropped to the ground and the new drawing.	01:08:39
	And, umm.	01:08:44
	Furthermore, if we look at the site plan.	01:08:46
	The original design of the pool is being.	01:08:49
	Redesigned to.	01:08:53
	Make it a little bit smaller footprint.	01:08:55
	And add a little SPA and pull.	01:08:57
	Pull out from underneath the house.	01:09:00
	This is an initial review for a change of design to a previously approved new home construction project currently underway. The	01:09:04
	applicants seeking final approval for the few design changes that were previously mentioned.	01:09:10
	There's no additional relief requested from the board.	01:09:17
	Staff recommends final approval.	01:09:20
	For the minor aesthetic changes as proposed, as long as the board finds that the design will remain within the standards of	01:09:23
	neighborhood compatibility.	01:09:26
	Thank you, Charles.	01:09:30
	Yes.	01:09:32
	Thank you everybody. A dual best who is our regional project manager couldn't be here yet, held up on the site.	01:09:34
	Subcontractor was running late, which I know is crazy, has never happened before in the history of construction but.	01:09:40
	My name is Luke Cunningham. I'm the business development director for Dealer, Jones says. Thank you all for your time.	01:09:45
	Essentially Charles this.	01:09:51
	The main thing is.	01:09:53
	We're wanting to basically change the massing.	01:09:55
	On the.	01:09:57
	East side suite garage basically would be congruent.	01:10:00
	With the West side of the home.	01:10:03
	Umm, and.	01:10:06
	We feel it kind of makes more cohesion across the board for it so.	01:10:09
	Compared to the excitement of a packed house earlier in Bryces great presentation.	01:10:14
	The excitement level got dropped a little bit with us on this one, but.	01:10:19
	Basically the changes that we're seeking to get approved today.	01:10:22
	OK. Thank you. We're going to open it up to public comment. Is there anyone?	01:10:25
	Wants to speak about this particular agenda item.	01:10:31
	Public comment is closed.	01:10:34
	Funky, would you like to thank you for the project? Yeah, thank you very much.	01:10:37
	Appreciate the brevity.	01:10:43
	The.	01:10:44
	Changes look good. I think it's an improvement over what had.	01:10:46
	We've done a few years ago.	01:10:49
	Just what was the concept in just getting rid of the arches and going square? Just what was the thought process there? I think	01:10:51
	that.	01:10:54
	Mark Twain said Tom forgives a litany of sins. I think we look back at it and just the feel, it was almost like a.	01:10:57
	Kind of freezing this wrong way, but kind of like a Turkish vibe that we didn't really thought.	01:11:06
	Felt congruent with like the island.	01:11:10
	It was a lot of heavy.	01:11:14
	Style implications that we just didn't feel jogged with it and.	01:11:15
	After looking back at, I think it's kind of a wise thing to evaluate. But that was.	01:11:18
	Our feel yeah, I think you like say you've softened it up a bit. It's hardened that part I mean the you know the.	01:11:23
	Curve did help soften some, but I think you've done made-up for it in other areas. I'm good with it, I don't need further.	01:11:30
	OK, umm.	01:11:36
	Can you can.	01:11:41
	Can we bring the?	01:11:42
	Actual plans up.	01:11:43
	I just.	01:11:46
	I like the matching but like the.	01:11:48
	Straight on drawing makes it look like they're in the same plane, in the same location, you know, and in reality, there's still	01:11:51
	this large.	01:11:55
	Exposed Gable behind the hip.	01:11:59
	And so.	01:12:03
	Maybe there's 3DS? I think that showed it and I just want to make sure I understand.	01:12:05
	The difference between what was there I don't want to like. The end result I think we all like.	01:12:09
	Hips on the front, but.	01:12:15
	I don't want it to now leave leave this really large.	01:12:16
	Gable that.	01:12:20
	The previous garage kind of hit it or the previous bump out kind of hit that large Gable. Now it's going to be.	01:12:22
	Still exposed.	01:12:27
	It might have just been that first sheet that was the only one that actually showed it. It's kind of optically weird unless you	01:12:28
	can see them side-by-side. Yeah, you're right, Field.	01:12:32
	Umm umm.	01:12:38
	There you go.	01:12:41
	Yeah, that, that there so.	01:12:42
	Am I right in remembering what was there before? Was it?	01:12:45
	A Gable that almost.	01:12:49
	Sat within that Gable and came out.	01:12:51
	Yes, Sir. OK.	01:12:54
	What's that?	01:12:58
	Yeah, yeah.	01:13:00
	I just.	01:13:03
	All right. So it was always the same. So now it's just it's softening that. That's why I didn't have this.	01:13:06
	Didn't have the comparison, so it's great when somebody gives us a comparison before and after.	01:13:13
	So from that standpoint.	01:13:18
	I think certainly the change in the garage for.	01:13:20
	I think the style of the house, the.	01:13:24
	The porch was actually an interesting.	01:13:27
	Thing with the arches, you know on the porch columns, but.	01:13:30
	But now, can you go back to Charles? I'm sorry, I'm can you jump around?	01:13:33
	That would not not arched. You like it better without the arch.	01:13:39
	OK.	01:13:43
	OK, all right, all right.	01:13:46
	Well then, now that I've compared the before and after, then.	01:13:48
	Good. Thanks. Appreciate it.	01:13:52
	But they kept the red button. That's the important thing.	01:13:53
	Yeah, I love the changes.	01:13:59
	Excellent. Thank you. Fine, I'm fine with it.	01:14:01
	Did you change the materials or just?	01:14:05
	What was outlined to us exactly?	01:14:08
	We kept all the materials. Yes, ma'am. OK.	01:14:11
	OK. I think you've cleaned it up nicer. In my opinion it's a better like I said in the last presentation.	01:14:16
	It's clean and simple and it's.	01:14:25
	More I think it's updated without the arches.	01:14:27
	So I think it looks like it's classic. It could be here.	01:14:33
	You could see this in 10 years and it's still gonna be.	01:14:37
	Timeless, absolutely. Thank you. Especially with not without changing the materials, I think that's.	01:14:40
	I'm good with it.	01:14:47
	Make a motion to approve as submitted for file.	01:14:48
	2nd, Thank you, Officer Tom.	01:14:52
	Pardon.	01:14:54
	Hold on.	01:14:56
	Discussion.	01:14:58
	All in favor.	01:15:00
	Approved and final thank you.	01:15:02
	The next item on the agenda is 2857 Jasper Blvd.	01:15:08
	Yes, Madam Chair, 2857 Jasper Blvd. Just going across the street. Cindy Klein and Wardimer and Klein Landscape Architects is	01:15:14
	requesting final approval.	01:15:18
	Of the plans for a new swimming pool in the backyard of this existing house, with a request for side set back relief.	01:15:23
	Here's an aerial showing that properties location.	01:15:31
	Along Jasper Blvd.	01:15:34
	And the historic resource map. You can see this property is outside of any historic district.	01:15:36
	There are a number of historic.	01:15:42
	Properties in the vicinity.	01:15:44
	The posting on the property advertising in the meeting.	01:15:47
	And.	01:15:50
	Here's the.	01:15:52
	Approved site plan from March of this year.	01:15:54
	Where they're planning some renovations and additions to this home.	01:15:57
	Included a pool design there.	01:16:02
	This is.	01:16:04
	After getting some feedback, I think about landscaping around the trees that.	01:16:06
	Revised the pool plan and are proposing to encroach a little bit onto the site set back over here on the bottom of the screen.	01:16:10
	This is an initial review of a request to build a new pool in the rear of this existing house with the side set back relief. In	01:16:19
	March of this year, the board reviewed, reviewed and approved plans for renovations of the existing home that included minor	01:16:24
	requests for side setback relief and principal building square footage.	01:16:30
	The standard combined set back for this lot would be 38 feet.	01:16:36
	.338 a third feet.	01:16:40
	And with the relief granted in March.	01:16:43
	The required combined set back is currently 36.75 feet.	01:16:46
	And the applicants now requesting reduce the set back by an additional 3.92 feet.	01:16:51
	Or three feet 11 inches, making the combined set back.	01:16:56
	32.	01:17:00
	.83 feet 32 feet 10 inches.	01:17:01
	This is actually a requested for 14.3% relief the combined set back, not the 25% shown on the application.	01:17:06
	And just for clarity, that 14.3% includes the previously granted 4.12%. So the actual request is just under 10% increase in the	01:17:14
	set back relief.	01:17:19
	Numbers.	01:17:27
	Here to show you that in the chart.	01:17:30
	You can see.	01:17:33
	The total requested side set back relief is 14.3, bringing that 38.33 down to 32.83.	01:17:35
	Staff recommends final approval for the minor.	01:17:44
	Aesthetic changes as shown, as long as the board finds that design will remain within the standards of neighborhood compatibility.	01:17:47
	Thank you, Charles.	01:17:55
	Sheila, hi.	01:17:57
	I'm Cindy Klein. I'm Mortimer Incline. Sorry, my apologies. That's going all right.	01:17:58
	We're here this evening with the homeowners.	01:18:04
	Sterling and Emily Morrison and I'll just be very brief, I think, Charles outlined.	01:18:07
	It perfectly well and actually had more numbers than I was prepared to speak to. So thank you, Charles.	01:18:15
	Is it possible to bring the site plan back up?	01:18:23
	Charles.	01:18:26
	Just for reference. Thank you.	01:18:30
	So the proposed design is the one at the bottom there. And just a few things to say about the property the home sits.	01:18:32
	Fairly far back on the lot.	01:18:41
	And adhering to the 25 foot mandatory set back on the rear, which is what we're showing here.	01:18:44
	Kind of pushes.	01:18:51
	The pool.	01:18:53
	Towards the middle of the yard and then there is a large 3032 inch Live Oak.	01:18:54
	There at the back corner of the property, and you'll see that the tree protection zone is kind of dictating where the corner of	01:19:00
	that pool can actually be.	01:19:05
	So in other words, the parameters are kind of setting the pool for us, but by pushing it out a little bit from the design.	01:19:09
	That was previously reviewed.	01:19:17
	We're giving the homeowners a little bit more room for a garden space, A green space in between the rear facade and the and the	01:19:19
	swimming pool.	01:19:23
	That's about it.	01:19:29
	OK. Thank you.	01:19:31
	Is there public comment on this particular agenda item?	01:19:33
	Public comment is closed.	01:19:38
	I have a question just to piggyback on your last statement.	01:19:42
	Is the Live Oak.	01:19:47
	Dictating.	01:19:49
	The position of the.	01:19:51
	Present new presented pool.	01:19:53
	Or is it the size of the pool?	01:19:55
	And the 10% delta that you're asking for?	01:19:58
	The the tree canopy, the tree protection zone is is dictating where the pool can go.	01:20:04
	But is it the size of the pool? If you reduce the size of the pool, would you be asking for the 10% delta?	01:20:11
	So part of the a very important part of the program for the homeowners is to be able to swim laps.	01:20:17
	And so and speaking with Aqua blue pools, this is kind of the the minimum length that they would.	01:20:23
	Recommend What is the size of the pool?	01:20:30
	It is 47 feet long and I believe 12.	01:20:33
	12 feet wide, yes.	01:20:38
	And Sheila, I mean Cindy, I'm sorry. I know Sheila, I apologize. Cindy, what is a typical?	01:20:44
	If there is a typical.	01:20:51
	Whole size.	01:20:53
	A typical poolside. It varies greatly from site to site.	01:20:55
	I would say speaking to the lap pool issue, we usually try to aim for something closer to 50 feet.	01:21:00
	So in this instance we're actually already reducing it a little bit to make it work within the parameters of the site.	01:21:09
	OK.	01:21:19
	Phil how close the pool?	01:21:21
	Now, if this was granted, how close to the property line?	01:21:24
	Is that at 10 feet?	01:21:28
	Believe it's 1111 to 8 inches.	01:21:30
	And what are you? What are you planning for buffer?	01:21:33
	Down there with.	01:21:35
	Bushes and trees and all. Yeah. So a combination of sable palms, OK.	01:21:36
	Under planted with probably a combination of wax Myrtle and.	01:21:42
	Yup, on Holly. So we're trying to go a little bit native on the.	01:21:48
	On the buffer there to separate the two properties and then it would be planted with lower material that was a little bit more	01:21:52
	decorative closer to the pool and then we have a 5 foot fence.	01:21:56
	Along the property as well. Yes, that is correct.	01:22:01
	I I would say that we something similar came before us a few months ago.	01:22:05
	Two months ago, yeah. And I, I feel like this to me.	01:22:11
	This is different than that. That was right next to a beach walk access.	01:22:14
	Whereas this is probably extremely hidden from anybody.	01:22:19
	And so.	01:22:24
	I kind of respect that they're saving the tree, but yeah, can still get what they want. Still fits when the rear set back.	01:22:26
	And I like it. It actually feels like there's more green than.	01:22:32
	The previous one that we had approved so I personally am OK with this.	01:22:35
	Funky did a.	01:22:41
	Ditto.	01:22:45
	OK, I make a motion for final approval as submitted.	01:22:48
	Discussion.	01:22:53
	All in favor.	01:22:55
	Approve for final. Thank you, Cindy. It's all because you're swimming laps.	01:22:57
	Yeah.	01:23:02
	Well, hey, we'll have our eyes on you.	01:23:08
	Can I make a motion? Yes. Let's adjourn.	01:23:12
	All in favor adjourned.	01:23:16
	Thank you.	01:23:19
	Thank you so much.	01:23:22
	Yeah.	01:23:29

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	And Review Board, Sullivan's Island.	00:00:04
	June 18th.	00:00:07
	2025 it is now 402 PM.	00:00:09
	At the town hall.	00:00:13
	The board members in attendance are Phil Clark, Ron Koish.	00:00:15
	Beverly Bohan.	00:00:20
	And Bunkie Wickman.	00:00:21
	The Freedom of Information requirements have been met for this meeting.	00:00:23
	The next item on the agenda is the approval of the May 2120 five 2025 minutes I move that we accept as submitted.	00:00:28
	2nd.	00:00:37
	All in favor.	00:00:39
	Approved minutes.	00:00:41
	For May, the next item is the public.	00:00:42
	Input and this is generally speaking.	00:00:46
	Not particular to any agenda item.	00:00:49
	This would be just if you wanted to take the podium state your name and.	00:00:53
	Address and make a general comment.	00:00:58
	Public comment is closed.	00:01:02
	The next is agenda item is the process for design review.	00:01:05
	Tonight will be this afternoon will be very important that we adhere to all of these.	00:01:10
	Items. Umm.	00:01:15
	Simply because we have.	00:01:17
	A large agenda and.	00:01:19
	We want to make sure that everybody is heard.	00:01:23
	The statement of matters are to be heard, announced by myself, the Chair.	00:01:26
	Followed by the town staff presentation.	00:01:31
	Of 5 minutes.	00:01:35
	Presented by the applicant of 10 minutes.	00:01:37
	And then the public comment will be two minutes per person.	00:01:40
	And you'll have one time to speak only.	00:01:44
	And then it will be followed by the board QA, which may occur at any point in time during this hearing.	00:01:48
	And then there will be a public comment will be closed.	00:01:56
	And the board will deliberate and vote. And I would ask you not to.	00:01:59
	Cross examination anyone on the board while we are?	00:02:04
	Deliberating and voting.	00:02:07
	And while you are presenting.	00:02:09
	So we'll start.	00:02:13
	The consent agenda items, Charles.	00:02:16
	Thank you, Madam Chair. Yes, we have two items on the consent agenda this evening.	00:02:21
	The board may approve these by title only. The first one is 2118 Atlantic Ave. where Clark Ferguson of Clark Ferguson Architects	00:02:27
	is requesting final approval to renovate.	00:02:32
	And put an addition on this existing home with one wrong request and that's for additional principal building square footage.	00:02:37
	The second item on the consent agenda is 1420 Thompson Ave. where Heather Wilson of Heather A Wilson Architect.	00:02:44
	Is requesting final approval of renovation and addition plans.	00:02:51
	For this existing home with a request for additional principal building square footage and additional principal building coverage	00:02:55
	area.	00:02:58
	OK.	00:03:03
	So do you want to explain possibly?	00:03:05
	Since the public hasn't seen this agenda item on our.	00:03:08
	Agenda before if you want to explain briefly, yes. So the consent agenda means is.	00:03:13
	These are items that the board has reviewed.	00:03:21
	Previously and provided comment to the applicant.	00:03:23
	Those comments were generally.	00:03:27
	Are generally a minor nature and staff has reviewed the.	00:03:29
	Subsequent submittal and found that those.	00:03:34
	Comments have been addressed appropriately and is recommending that.	00:03:37
	These can be.	00:03:41
	Approved just by title only, without having a full review from the board again.	00:03:42
	Great. Thank you.	00:03:48
	I make a motion unless there's someone here.	00:03:50
	That wants to speak on it for.	00:03:52
	Final consent approval for 2118 Atlantic Ave.	00:03:54
	And 1420 Thompson Ave.	00:03:57
	Before we do that, we'll have public comment.	00:04:00
	Do I?	00:04:04
	Yeah, I think if there's an objection from the public, then that would.	00:04:06
	I think that caused this to be something that we need to discuss further, so yeah.	00:04:12
	Public comment on either of these projects.	00:04:16
	Public comment is closed.	00:04:20
	Motion Make a motion for consent approval.	00:04:22
	2118 Atlantic Ave. in 1420.	00:04:25
	Thompson Ave. Second.	00:04:28
	Discussion.	00:04:30
	All in favor.	00:04:32
	Approved consent items.	00:04:34
	All right.	00:04:38
	Next item is the historic design reviews.	00:04:43
	All right, first item on the historic review is 1204 Middle St.	00:04:46
	EE save a architects.	00:04:52
	ETC. It requests A conceptual review of plans for the renovations to this historic church office building, a Sullivans Island	00:04:54
	landmark property.	00:04:58
	And the demolition and new construction of the non historic parish hall.	00:05:02
	Both located on the same parcel.	00:05:07
	Here's an aerial of the.	00:05:11
	Property. This is the historic building up front.	00:05:14
	Church offices and this is the non historic parish hall with the large metal roof there.	00:05:17
	Umm. Here's the historic resource map.	00:05:25
	The Parish Office building is a Seldom Island landmark property.	00:05:30
	And, umm.	00:05:35
	It is within the Solomon's Island or the Moultrieville Local and National Register historic districts.	00:05:37
	Interestingly, that line.	00:05:44
	Boundary for the historic districts cuts through the middle of this parcel. It's the only parcel I've found that has that unique	00:05:46
	feature.	00:05:50
	And the.	00:05:53
	Parish Hall Building is located outside of the district.	00:05:56
	Here's posting on the property advertising the hearing this evening.	00:06:02
	And here are some pictures taken of the parish hall from the front.	00:06:07
	And the street side and towards the rear.	00:06:13
	And this shows you the adjacency to the.	00:06:17
	Neighboring single family use.	00:06:20
	Here's another aerial close in on the property.	00:06:25
	You can see the Stall marriage church in the foreground.	00:06:28
	And then this is the parcel map showing.	00:06:32
	The parcel outline.	00:06:35
	So here's the existing site plan.	00:06:38
	With the existing parish hall.	00:06:40
	And the existing parish offices.	00:06:42
	And this is the proposed site plan which.	00:06:45
	As a new footprint for the parish hall, pulling it a.	00:06:49
	Out of the rear set back where the.	00:06:54
	Current halls located in the roof set back and.	00:06:56
	Improving the set back situation along this side to side where it's currently 8.	00:07:00
	From the.	00:07:05
	Property line with the visitor Center for the for.	00:07:07
	And would move it to 10 feet off that property line.	00:07:09
	This is the.	00:07:17
	Facades for the historic structure only.	00:07:19
	Change to The exterior of this building is in the rear where.	00:07:23
	New stairs off the back would be.	00:07:29
	Added to create a courtyard.	00:07:33
	Between the two buildings.	00:07:35
	Kind of kind of connecting them by a porch, essentially.	00:07:37
	And then you can see.	00:07:45
	More of that change on the.	00:07:47
	On the rear facade here.	00:07:50
	And this is the.	00:07:56
	Proposed.	00:07:58
	New construction for the parish hall.	00:08:00
	Replacing the existing one.	00:08:03
	Here you can see that.	00:08:06
	Facade along Station 12.	00:08:08
	And this is the.	00:08:12
	The rear facade that faces the that would face the residential home.	00:08:13
	This is the.	00:08:19
	Facade that faces towards the rear of the.	00:08:21
	Historic building and then this is.	00:08:24
	The facade that faces the Fort.	00:08:27
	Here's some.	00:08:33
	3D perspectives of it from the street.	00:08:36
	You can see how it kind of hides behind the.	00:08:40
	Historic building and then behind the church as you go past it.	00:08:43
	This is a request to replace the existing.	00:08:50
	Historic Parish Hall for the stall. Myers Campus.	00:08:54
	It's on the same property with the parish offices that are historic landmark property from.	00:08:59
	Around 1930.	00:09:05
	The BCA earlier this month granted variances to the residential.	00:09:07
	Standards to allow the construction of this building they've.	00:09:12
	Created coverage variances that will allow the principal building square footage, principal building coverage area.	00:09:18
	And impervious surface areas that are being proposed for the building.	00:09:23
	As well as set back variances to the side setbacks, the side facade articulations in the second stories side facade articulations.	00:09:28
	These variances have established.	00:09:40
	Existing conditions as conformities on the lot.	00:09:44
	So there are no nonconformities.	00:09:48
	This is the initial review by the board applicants requesting conceptual review to get feedback and not necessarily seeking an	00:09:52
	approval this evening.	00:09:56
	The Board should consider the relationship between the historic structure on the property.	00:10:01
	In the greater church campus.	00:10:05
	Through the lens of the newly adopted Historic Design Guidelines Manual and the Secretary of Interior Standards Guidelines.	00:10:07
	And also consider the impacts with the surround.	00:10:14
	Within the surrounding Rs district to ensure that the standards of neighborhood compatibility are followed.	00:10:17
	Since the variances were granted for many of the guidelines.	00:10:24
	That would have been.	00:10:28
	Ultimately, beyond the Board's prior view to grant, there are no relief requests with this application.	00:10:30
	Is there some points from our?	00:10:38
	Our new.	00:10:41
	Guidelines booklet which.	00:10:43
	Didn't really consider.	00:10:47
	Outbuildings of this nature.	00:10:49
	In the Rs district so.	00:10:52
	It's hard to find any tease out any pieces but.	00:10:54
	I thought these two pieces.	00:10:57
	Kind of spoke to what we're.	00:10:59
	Discussing here and citing new outbuildings on the lot appropriately.	00:11:01
	Locating them to the rear of the dwelling.	00:11:06
	Or set back from the side elevations and.	00:11:09
	This building is located to the rear.	00:11:11
	And then?	00:11:14
	Efforts should be made to.	00:11:15
	Site wheelchair ramps.	00:11:17
	And safety features. And accessibility features.	00:11:19
	And visually unobtrusive location and as you can see in this.	00:11:24
	Image they're proposing that ramp.	00:11:30
	Into the historic building on the rear of it.	00:11:34
	So.	00:11:38
	Staff recommends that we provide.	00:11:45
	Feedback to the applicant this evening.	00:11:47
	As as requested for the conceptual review.	00:11:49
	Thank you.	00:11:53
	Eddie.	00:11:56
	I'm going to switch the presentation over to this.	00:12:01
	Thank you.	00:12:05
	Good evening Eddie Favor with the E favorite architects. Thank you all for being here this evening.	00:12:09
	And hearing our presentation.	00:12:13
	And, and, Madam Chair, I know you mentioned you all look tight on time and I promise you will go as quickly as possible. We have.	00:12:16
	Two buildings that I know are of significant importance. So if we run a minute or two over if that's OK, but we'll do our best to.	00:12:21
	Compress I know you'll stay within the guidelines of our.	00:12:27
	Policies. Thank you. Yes.	00:12:30
	So just by way of introduction the property that.	00:12:33
	Whereas and.	00:12:38
	Its associated properties are located or.	00:12:39
	Osceola and 1204 Middle.	00:12:42
	As designated in the red dotted line area.	00:12:44
	The area that we're Speaking of presently or tonight is the one where the new hall will be replaced, the old one that is shaded in	00:12:47
	Gray.	00:12:50
	Um, a Stella Maris timeline and a little bit tongue in cheek, but the fact of the matter that you can see we started in 1845 just	00:12:54
	because that's when the Paris was established. There's a long standing.	00:13:00
	Historic connection to this property.	00:13:05
	Fast forward, obviously, to.	00:13:07
	A year or two ago when we started moving forward with this project, which all had seen the relocation of the Shill House, which	00:13:10
	was one of the historic properties that the church had owned.	00:13:14
	And was relocated.	00:13:18
	Move forward slightly.	00:13:21
	And is being renovated presently.	00:13:23
	We were two year board twice, the first time just to review the conceptual plan, the second.	00:13:26
	To review the plan as the potential parking area at the rear would layout conceptually.	00:13:31
	So both of those moved forward and on May 8.	00:13:35
	Of this year, we were to the Board of Zoning Appeals where we were granted the religious designation for the property.	00:13:39
	Which many of the properties on the island either have formally or informally. This this allowed that to happen.	00:13:45
	For this property.	00:13:50
	In the interim, we met with the community.	00:13:52
	And their extended neighbors.	00:13:55
	As well and then followed up with the most recent zoning.	00:13:58
	Board meeting where we were granted variances.	00:14:01
	All related to existing non conforming conditions, mostly because all of the zoning ordinances.	00:14:04
	Relate specifically to residential structures.	00:14:09
	So I'm going to run through just very quickly site context.	00:14:13
	Everybody, I'm sure, is familiar with it, but.	00:14:16
	The building is located halfway down Station 12.	00:14:18
	And abuts the National Park.	00:14:22
	And that institutional use in the parking area there, tucked behind the historic structure.	00:14:24
	And a budding residential property to the rear.	00:14:29
	Current views of it.	00:14:34
	Presently, or at least the site area would be sitting behind.	00:14:36
	The Fort building.	00:14:40
	And you can see in the bottom left the roof.	00:14:42
	Of the current call where the new hall would go, which again but the park area buffered by the live oaks.	00:14:45
	The areas are in the in the zone of the landmark properties.	00:14:53
	And as Charles had indicated, the area where the.	00:14:57
	Hall will be replaced is not such, Needless to say, because of its current status.	00:15:01
	Views of the property as it is presently with the church in the foreground the the.	00:15:07
	Sun in the rear behind the church is literally where the building will sit behind that.	00:15:15
	The block over.	00:15:20
	From Middle St. as you come down behind 1204 Middle St. which are currently parish offices and will be restored as such.	00:15:21
	And further down Osceola.	00:15:28
	1118 which has been renovated and restored. The current rectory at 11:12 which has been.	00:15:30
	Renovated and restored with a small addition.	00:15:35
	And the non historic structure at the rear of the property off of Osceola has been removed.	00:15:38
	I'll let Joel speak a little bit to the history.	00:15:46
	I'm going to go very quickly through this, but the the square joining the church was in 1871.	00:15:49
	Named by the Committee of Lots in honor of Father Birmingham who built the existing square here, so there's obviously been a long	00:15:56
	standing use.	00:15:59
	You can see the historic views of the structure, especially the limited development that's occurred around it, that.	00:16:03
	From 19/10/1940 and what exists today, you can see the small scale structures that are on the lot.	00:16:09
	There's been a significant development around it with the base hospital, other buildings, but as you look at the lots that	00:16:15
	currently surround the church.	00:16:18
	And its iconic view, that's one of the important areas that we felt like needed to be isolated and respected.	00:16:22
	As you look at the existing conditions.	00:16:28
	There are the existing historic house which Charles referenced. There is the existing parish hall.	00:16:30
	Which is a metal frame building and significant disrepair which cannot actually be repaired with any subcontractors or anyone that	00:16:35
	will work on it so.	00:16:39
	It needs to be taken down and replaced with a building that can actually serve its purpose.	00:16:44
	There's existing impervious asphalt parking.	00:16:49
	Is between both buildings. That's on the lot.	00:16:51
	Behind the church that runs right up to the church and in front of the church where the curb has been paved over.	00:16:54
	You can see there's existing plant buffers buffering the.	00:17:01
	The Port Moultrie visitor site, which allows for kind of a visual screening of that facade and a natural place for us to site the	00:17:05
	building. There's also planted buffers to the residential neighbor at the rear and along the rear of the property.	00:17:11
	And the historic rehabilitation which is the building isolated in the red.	00:17:18
	Dash. Here you can see that the existing form of the building is relatively pure and.	00:17:22
	In our restoration of this project.	00:17:28
	Suggesting.	00:17:32
	Any expansion of the footprint?	00:17:33
	The the church has been a good steward of the property.	00:17:35
	And they have restored 1 landmark structure. They're currently restoring another landmark structure and they would be treating	00:17:38
	this the same way.	00:17:42
	I think there's few people that are dealing with three landmark structures and they've done so in a way to really serve the	00:17:46
	community.	00:17:49
	As you look at the.	00:17:53
	The the plan here you can see the difference between the buildings. The existing layout of the room suited very well for offices,	00:17:54
	and we're really preserving the existing layout almost in its entirety there.	00:18:00
	The only change is to the rear of the structure, which is required by code for the ADA ramp that's there and allows access to the	00:18:05
	structure. I'll turn it back over to Eddie for the Parish Center.	00:18:10
	Thank you, Joel.	00:18:17
	So for the proposed parish center, the last time the DRV saw it.	00:18:18
	We were looking at existing conditions and what was.	00:18:24
	Going to happen conceptually and we follow through with that plan. These are the existing conditions. The red dotted line	00:18:27
	indicates where the new hall will go.	00:18:30
	Current Hall, as we say, kind of an 80s Butler building and just for everybody's information and reference as well.	00:18:35
	Current condition which is not the.	00:18:40
	Greatest of states.	00:18:43
	And and so many things about it don't meet code in addition to circulation handicap access bathrooms.	00:18:44
	All of those type of things which would be addressed in the new proposal.	00:18:51
	Some of the things that I think are worth saying, and I know we mentioned it easy A meetings for those who hadn't been there,	00:18:54
	there had been a lot of kind of.	00:18:58
	Talk or otherwise that 7 Mayors Hall would be the largest building on the island. It's definitely not and we can document that and	00:19:01
	show you.	00:19:05
	Increase water would.	00:19:09
	Inevitably result from raising land elevation. It cannot legally, so that will not happen.	00:19:11
	And Stella Maris is.	00:19:17
	Not planning to build a big hall to grow their numbers in any way shape or form.	00:19:20
	The other thing which I think is incredibly important is all of the immediately abutting adjacent neighbors.	00:19:24
	Are all in very strong support of this current proposal.	00:19:28
	Quickly just to reference scale for those that may not have to deal with it often.	00:19:32
	And the kind of thought this was a large building.	00:19:36
	In reference to the school, that's our current.	00:19:39
	Footprint. And that's the school building.	00:19:42
	So big difference in size and square footage.	00:19:45
	Similarly, just for reference with another.	00:19:49
	Religious institution.	00:19:52
	Well done and nestled in, albeit years ago.	00:19:54
	Holy Cross.	00:19:57
	Our building is is so compared to some of their support buildings where they have.	00:19:59
	Total of 31,000 square feet and we're at 17 with cars.	00:20:03
	All of them I think work well and it's not to disparage any of them. I just think it's a different situation and we've been able	00:20:07
	to address a little bit better on our siding.	00:20:11
	One of the things that we think is important as we move forward with design too.	00:20:15
	Is all of these parish buildings, religious institutions and otherwise are?	00:20:19
	Or background buildings. The church is the star, the historic.	00:20:23
	Buildings are the star.	00:20:27
	And it really shouldn't be something that screams or calls for attention.	00:20:28
	All of these other institutions have.	00:20:33
	Have support facilities and they adjacent to their religious structures.	00:20:36
	And we did, ironically enough, even as.	00:20:41
	Follow many of the guidelines that y'all had adopted recently, although they had been written in stone. They're just good	00:20:44
	practice.	00:20:47
	Namely, a new building or addition reflects its own period of construction, representing the vitality and evolution of the	00:20:50
	historic district overtime.	00:20:53
	And again, with this building, be it.	00:20:58
	Background buildings or otherwise, that's something that lets Stella Mirrors be the star of the show.	00:21:01
	All of that, we felt like, also needed to be adopted to Sullen Island.	00:21:07
	So again.	00:21:11
	The larger structures, the ones that are done well on historic precedent.	00:21:12
	Are modulated with porch elements or overhangs.	00:21:16
	Simple facades, things of that nature, whether they were done.	00:21:20
	Long ago were such as the base hospital, even further beyond that.	00:21:24
	Some of the things that hadn't been done in the last.	00:21:29
	Couple decades didn't have the guidelines and the other things to abide by, so that's just for reference of what's there	00:21:32
	presently, but.	00:21:35
	Would like to think that we've.	00:21:38
	Learn from some of these things and some of the guidelines that are in place now what we're trying to follow.	00:21:40
	Materials as well would be something that's very vernacular, typical to Sullivan's Island.	00:21:45
	And of the drawings I'll saw previously.	00:21:51
	This was the proposed.	00:21:54
	Site plan diagram that was requested at that time.	00:21:56
	Where we demonstrated where the new hall would go.	00:21:59
	Pervious parking to the rear.	00:22:02
	And a green band towards the front of the property.	00:22:04
	May I go just a little while longer?	00:22:07
	I hadn't been able to present. I would appreciate it.	00:22:10
	Yeah, a few, a minute or two without do it that be enough?	00:22:12
	Yes, ma'am, I think so. I'm just gonna keep talking.	00:22:17
	So I'm sorry because it's just two big buildings in a line I understand well.	00:22:21
	We will address many of these things.	00:22:26
	When the board asks you questions. Understood. So it's not like you're not gonna say everything you want to. OK, OK, I'll. I'll do	00:22:29
	this quickly.	00:22:32
	So as previously shown to your board.	00:22:37
	That that was what was the reference plan of where we were going.	00:22:39
	Since then, the historic structure at the rear of the property was a move.	00:22:43
	And the addition off the shield house was not done, so it's even less intense.	00:22:46
	The blue line indicating the historic streetscape.	00:22:52
	Of what we are taking into consideration.	00:22:55
	And again with y'all's principles as recently adopted.	00:22:59
	Very much adhered to site placement, building height and width, scale, form, materials, details, rhythm.	00:23:02
	Diagrammatically.	00:23:08
	What was very important to us is a long Osseo in the beginning of middle, if you'll notice the band at the bottom of the drawing.	00:23:09
	That could be a green or a residential zone all along that street, anything that happens associated with the work that we're	00:23:15
	doing.	00:23:18
	Is far behind it or halfway down Station 12.	00:23:22
	Where the hall is at the top.	00:23:25
	Right of your screen.	00:23:27
	So current.	00:23:30
	Proposed plan of the new hall.	00:23:32
	The increased.	00:23:35
	Open area around the existing church and the Shill house on Osceola.	00:23:37
	Perspectives as one would drive down.	00:23:42
	Towards that direction off middle and then turning down Osceola where you would see the building in the rear.	00:23:45
	I have a floor plan that we can reference for you too and I neglected to mention but.	00:23:52
	And between the.	00:23:56
	Initial zoning and request in the second one.	00:23:58
	There was a request is there any way to reduce some of the square footage? We did so in good faith, I think by more than what what	00:24:01
	was expected. So that was well received.	00:24:05
	For reference purposes, this is the current hall.	00:24:10
	And the seating area of the new hall is what's in yellow.	00:24:13
	Datagon red is what's.	00:24:16
	Currently there, so it's not something that's growing extensively.	00:24:18
	It really is attributed significantly so.	00:24:22
	To circulation.	00:24:24
	Bathrooms, ADA facilities, as you can see by this diagram, the one on the left showing where circulation is in the current hall.	00:24:27
	And what's required in the new home? The current home does not meet any codes.	00:24:33
	I mean not any codes, but a lot of codes.	00:24:38
	Circulation and support. I won't run through all of those and the interested time but but.	00:24:40
	All of those things are listed of things that we are able to comply with in the new building and the current building does not.	00:24:45
	Very important to us was the sighting of the existing.	00:24:53
	Plant buffers.	00:24:59
	I can scroll through these.	00:25:01
	Is that all right?	00:25:03
	Are you? Are we?	00:25:05
	Getting close? Yes, ma'am.	00:25:07
	So elevations which you have in your plan?	00:25:10
	Of the great.	00:25:13
	Overlays in the front of the buildings that currently exist, so you have a scale reference and where something's already in place.	00:25:15
	Existing streetscape.	00:25:21
	Proposed streetscape where the building is to the rear.	00:25:23
	Existing streetscape.	00:25:26
	Proposed Streetscape.	00:25:27
	Proposed streetscape from Osceola.	00:25:30
	As you go down station 12, the new building as it relates to the historic structure with the 88.5 in between.	00:25:33
	From over at the church.	00:25:40
	The view of the building.	00:25:41
	And again, just I think it's important or.	00:25:44
	Reiterated that we've had very productive meetings with neighbors and most particularly those immediately adjacent to the site.	00:25:47
	Are in full support of the project.	00:25:53
	So thank you. I'm sorry for the run over. Thank you.	00:25:56
	Thank you.	00:25:59
	We'll open it up to public comment. I'll remind everyone a 2 minute per person, one time only comment.	00:26:00
	If you'll.	00:26:07
	We'll open it up now. Anyone from the public want to comment on this particular project?	00:26:09
	An agenda item? Yes Sir.	00:26:15
	If you're.	00:26:18
	Go to the podium, state your name and.	00:26:19
	Address.	00:26:21
	I'm Representative Joe Bustos. I live at 649 King Street in Mount Pleasant.	00:26:29
	And I represent Sullivan's Isle of Palms and part of Mount Pleasant.	00:26:34
	And I just want to say from my perspective, I think this enhancement.	00:26:39
	Is a wonderful addition not only to Sullivans Island.	00:26:44
	But to the entire district.	00:26:48
	And with that, I will close. Thank you, Sir.	00:26:51
	Thank you.	00:26:54
	Anyone.	00:26:59
	Public comment is closed. We'll open it up for comments.	00:27:03
	Till.	00:27:08
	Yeah, Eddie, I'd love for you to kind of.	00:27:11
	Tell us your inspiration for the architectural style.	00:27:14
	And kind of what led you to break it up, design it how it is and just if you could do a little.	00:27:17
	Architectural background and ideas for us please.	00:27:23
	Yes, Sir, absolutely.	00:27:27
	Let me get back to.	00:27:30
	I think.	00:27:32
	And I'll default to some of the principles too, as I said, which are ones we kind of abide by regularly or try to.	00:27:33
	But citing.	00:27:39
	Of the building where it was located obviously was very important because they were discussion should it go on the other property,	00:27:41
	should it go here?	00:27:43
	Halfway back.	00:27:46
	Station 12 made an awful lot of sense.	00:27:48
	It was important again that.	00:27:50
	Mr. Clark, from the street perspective and even as you turn that there's.	00:27:52
	A very clear differentiation between, you know, the historic structures and what's adjacent to it.	00:27:57
	But with that said, I think it's important that.	00:28:02
	The one that adjacent to it is the one that.	00:28:06
	Perhaps mitigates and is a buffer to the newer structure in the rear.	00:28:08
	So very much something that.	00:28:12
	Felt it would be disingenuous to try to make it look like a historic structure per.	00:28:16
	Guidelines and.	00:28:21
	Preservation standards as well.	00:28:23
	But that's not to say that it couldn't be.	00:28:24
	Very compatible.	00:28:26
	And the hall itself to the rear.	00:28:28
	Again, something we're still exploring, obviously materials, this is just for conceptual review and approval.	00:28:31
	Would be again just a background building, something that just.	00:28:36
	Is set to the rear and doesn't call attention to itself in our minds.	00:28:41
	Yeah, I mean and as you know we've we've mentioned before.	00:28:45
	Someone else was coming and wanted to design.	00:28:48
	Something like this. I'm first of all, I'm all for what needs to be done, and I'm in favor that it does need to be done.	00:28:51
	Yes, but if someone was designing something on a historic property like this.	00:28:58
	I feel like.	00:29:03
	We would probably call you in as a consultant because you are you're certainly the one that knows more about this.	00:29:06
	I feel like the the back part of the building.	00:29:12
	Maybe taking it?	00:29:14
	Too far for such a large structure, so I don't know if there's some other.	00:29:16
	More vernacular. Not necessarily replicating historic, but more vernacular.	00:29:20
	Massings breaking up the massings materials or something that could be done versus.	00:29:25
	What's there now is absolutely beautiful. I just know I don't. I'm not sure.	00:29:30
	About it.	00:29:34
	Here versus.	00:29:34
	Downtown or somewhere else that's that's that's my initial reaction. But as far as the size of it and the placement of it, I think	00:29:36
	it's very appropriate. I just.	00:29:39
	Looking at it from a historian like yourself.	00:29:43
	And and some of this well versed in the vernacular.	00:29:47
	It seems a little bit even far reaching for what I expected.	00:29:49
	And so I'm struggling with that a little bit.	00:29:53
	Yes, Sir. And if I just quickly may respond.	00:29:56
	Definitely conceptual for us, but massing was important and it wasn't something that lent itself to a.	00:29:59
	Gabled roof or this or that by virtue of.	00:30:06
	Platform, I mean the classrooms back to the rear of it.	00:30:08
	So I think fenestration we would look at.	00:30:12
	Modulating that and that's very much the intent materials as well.	00:30:15
	But that it.	00:30:18
	It did feel important that it somehow differentiated itself from something else and not try to.	00:30:20
	Mimic.	00:30:26
	I guess is what I'm getting at, but I hear your comments on something. We yeah, Saint Andrews just went through it recently, a	00:30:27
	couple years ago, were there when their structure burned. They had to rebuild it behind their historic structure. And yes, and I	00:30:31
	know there was a lot of back and forth with that one with stucco metal. Eventually they ended up doing like painted brick or	00:30:36
	something just to try to get somewhere in between. So.	00:30:41
	I whereas I think this this.	00:30:46
	The structure is absolutely gorgeous. I.	00:30:49
	I still tend to. My comment would be to try to.	00:30:51
	Soften it some. It may be a good word or a little bit more of an accident.	00:30:57
	That's like thank you.	00:31:00
	Run Eddie again.	00:31:03
	Excellent work, as you always do.	00:31:07
	Thank you, Phil. He I have pretty much the same concern and I don't think I've ever struggled with.	00:31:10
	Anything more than.	00:31:17
	This tonight.	00:31:18
	Of course we want to.	00:31:21
	Go with the flow.	00:31:23
	And get it going.	00:31:24
	My main concern was the horizontal versus vertical.	00:31:27
	It's the rhythm of the streetscape is often defined by a general vertical or horizontal feeling.	00:31:32
	Of the individual Billings buildings.	00:31:37
	New construction should respect the block's dominant vertical and horizontal orientation.	00:31:40
	It's a beautiful, beautiful building.	00:31:45
	But I think as Phil said, it does need to be softened slightly. Yes, Sir, I think you're going to get there and.	00:31:48
	We have to say this because that's what we're here for. And I, you know.	00:31:56
	Have to be true to myself.	00:32:02
	Can't just say something that I don't believe in.	00:32:04
	You're going to get there.	00:32:07
	But I think we just have a little adjustment to do to get there.	00:32:09
	Yes, Sir, it's a beautiful, beautiful design.	00:32:12
	I think that's our intent development of this forward based on y'all's comments, right? Yeah. I mean you look at it and it's like,	00:32:14
	yeah, it's.	00:32:18
	It's very modern.	00:32:22
	It's just beautiful.	00:32:25
	It's very big.	00:32:27
	And it's just.	00:32:29
	I'm struggling with.	00:32:32
	Does it really belong in the neighborhood as it is, or do we soften it a little bit to get this passed?	00:32:34
	OK, if I say a little softening.	00:32:43
	A few, you know, adjustments here and there and I think.	00:32:45
	We'll be good to go, sure.	00:32:49
	Thank you.	00:32:51
	OK.	00:32:54
	Yeah, I think that.	00:32:55
	Phil and Ron hit the nail on the head and I think.	00:32:58
	You got the message on that again conceptually.	00:33:00
	Doing a great job going the right direction. Help me the.	00:33:03
	Square footage of the existing building.	00:33:06
	To the new structure, the difference between the two.	00:33:09
	The existing building I'm going to yield on y'all.	00:33:12
	4600 square feet larger.	00:33:16
	And I'm going to go back to.	00:33:18
	This.	00:33:21
	Which was?	00:33:26
	A lot of that is attributed to.	00:33:27
	But yes, Sir, that's yeah. And your and your footprint will be the same 4600 feet.	00:33:30
	Larger I just we're is there any elevation that's what are we going to do with the elevation you're going to bring in a.	00:33:35
	Elevations of the building, Yeah. Oh, yeah. So they're in here. I just had to speed through them, I think. And I'm sorry, and I	00:33:41
	misspoke. Are you going to bring any additional dirt into Raise?	00:33:46
	The foundation inning.	00:33:52
	No more than what we're showing presently, right?	00:33:55
	Pending approvals are.	00:33:58
	Civil engineers already on board.	00:34:00
	And with y'all's direction, that's what we'll be moving forward with. But yes, Sir, it's not something that's going to be	00:34:02
	floating. I mean, so many of them are built up and have.	00:34:05
	But that was not the intent with this structure. Well, again, I guess just how much filter it's going to be brought in, are we	00:34:09
	going to and just obviously we have to work through a.	00:34:13
	You know water retention program, yes, from the and and they are 100% on board with that.	00:34:17
	And are charged with resolving it and said that it's.	00:34:24
	Absolutely doable.	00:34:26
	That it's not anything that's going to create a water problem.	00:34:28
	In fact, it will improve the drainage issues in that area, which are.	00:34:30
	Kind of abhorrent right now it's just swamped behind the church. And I understood that you got with number 402405 and 4:06.	00:34:34
	Station 12.	00:34:41
	Do I get what? I'm sorry those immediate.	00:34:44
	Property owners right adjacent to the property on.	00:34:46
	Section 12402405 and 406. Yes Sir, Sorry, I'm not sure.	00:34:49
	All of those and people beyond that that I that I don't know as well that with our the last meeting that the church held.	00:34:53
	But but every single one of those that are surrounding.	00:35:00
	The.	00:35:03
	And, and most particularly the gentleman that's impacted at Mr. Young to the rear of the building, we pulled it up.	00:35:04
	It doesn't meet the set back presently. We pulled it forward.	00:35:10
	But he spoke in very strong support of it at our zoning variance.	00:35:13
	And said to feel free to offer that support to you all again tonight. Great. OK, so 406, I think that there.	00:35:16
	Maybe this is second home possibly for them and you may not have been able to reach them possibly. I'm not sure which 1406 It's	00:35:22
	the one behind them. It's the last house on the right, but all of them are going to be no I've hand delivered notes to.	00:35:29
	Everybody that you see there and the one beyond.	00:35:36
	And didn't get responses from a lot of them. So I know father reached out to some of them personally, tried to walk back there. So	00:35:39
	there was a genuine effort and then there was a meeting note sent out.	00:35:44
	Between the last two.	00:35:48
	E-mail to everybody to invite anybody present so.	00:35:50
	Well, I I agree with Ron.	00:35:53
	We can get through this, it's going to be great and we're looking forward to the new improvement.	00:35:55
	When we finally get it through. So thank you. That's all I have, Madam Chairman.	00:35:59
	Thank you.	00:36:02
	I do want to make a note during public comment that there are two letters.	00:36:04
	In favor one from.	00:36:10
	Psycho and Rob Baiko.	00:36:12
	And John Winchester in favor of and then a concern from David Russell.	00:36:15
	And they will speak at a later meeting.	00:36:20
	So.	00:36:25
	Charles.	00:36:26
	If you could pull up 24.0 new construction additions.	00:36:28
	Yes.	00:36:37
	So my concerns.	00:36:42
	Is the vernacular.	00:36:45
	Of the island.	00:36:48
	And how the new building I know you will get there.	00:36:50
	But I think.	00:36:55
	This when I first looked at it.	00:36:57
	And I've been doing this.	00:36:59
	All my life in terms of.	00:37:01
	You know.	00:37:03
	Construction, renovations, different, you know, buildings. Mostly commercial.	00:37:04
	That it looked like the Bennett Hotel, the Federal building downtown.	00:37:11
	It has that feeling to it.	00:37:15
	And my first thought was, is there going to be a school?	00:37:18
	In this location.	00:37:23
	Was the reason for the additional square footage.	00:37:25
	And while I understand there are other buildings on the island.	00:37:28
	This is not a school.	00:37:33
	It's a church, you know, It's a place of worship.	00:37:35
	It's it's a place of there'll be, there'll be classrooms and and people worshipping.	00:37:41
	Or classrooms in there.	00:37:48
	You know the new building seems.	00:37:52
	In my opinion.	00:37:55
	If you look at 24.	00:37:57
	My concerns were.	00:37:59
	24.	00:38:03
	.024 point 2 and 24.3.	00:38:04
	And the mass and the materials.	00:38:09
	I think that.	00:38:12
	Changing, you know, one of the things that I did a study, I was looking at the different.	00:38:13
	Larger buildings, churches as well.	00:38:19
	And, umm.	00:38:23
	The classrooms of Holy Cross and and did a study and.	00:38:24
	They're broken up as we ask for.	00:38:28
	The same in houses when, you know, we look at the historic house and then we look at the.	00:38:32
	House that's being.	00:38:37
	Built behind it and we always say we don't want it to dwarf and we don't want it to override and.	00:38:38
	Draw attention away from the historic.	00:38:44
	Building and I think.	00:38:48
	In this particular instance, I think that.	00:38:50
	The proportions of the new addition should be compatible with the existing building.	00:38:53
	And height scale and size and massing so as to not overpower it visually.	00:38:58
	A new addition should never be taller, wider than the original structure.	00:39:04
	Unless it's required and I understand that you've done.	00:39:09
	You know you've gotten some approvals.	00:39:12
	But 24.3 it should be compatible in terms of the material.	00:39:14
	Different, but the spacing of the windows and the doors and I think those are really important keys.	00:39:19
	Um, so while that.	00:39:27
	Talks a little bit more to additions for residential.	00:39:30
	I think that there are examples on the island that may be out of date.	00:39:35
	Whether it be sunrise or whether it be Holy Cross, they met the vernacular of the island.	00:39:41
	So I would, I would just say, I think that.	00:39:47
	Proportion and solid to the void ratio.	00:39:51
	Maybe going back and looking at the rhythm.	00:39:55
	The streetscape.	00:39:57
	You know, coming up and I, I know you'll do a great job.	00:39:59
	Bringing this together.	00:40:03
	So that it it looks more like.	00:40:06
	Settlements Island versus downtown.	00:40:08
	And I concur with everybody here on.	00:40:12
	On that, did you want to say something else? Yeah, I'd just like to say that.	00:40:15
	I'm so used to seeing the building that's there since the early 70s.	00:40:20
	And it's just imprinted in my brain and so many times sitting on the board, it's very difficult.	00:40:25
	To see such a giant leap to something different.	00:40:33
	And I really have to digest it and.	00:40:37
	Take into consideration what my fellow board members think as well.	00:40:39
	And you know when you have someone like Eddie drawing it?	00:40:43
	I'll say it Eddie, you one of the best.	00:40:47
	OK. And we always enjoy.	00:40:49
	Your design and your effort into every project you put in there.	00:40:50
	But I think if you.	00:40:54
	If you listen to what each one of us says, and especially Beverly with the vernacular of the island, if we that little building	00:40:56
	that you have there is absolutely gorgeous.	00:41:01
	It needs a lot of work and I know you want to rebuild and do something really nice, but again, I think by softening.	00:41:06
	And making the building look a little more like the island.	00:41:14
	I think you're going to get there pretty quick.	00:41:18
	We, I particularly support you and what you want to do, but it's my job on the board to really.	00:41:21
	Pick it apart.	00:41:28
	Really. And we do it to every.	00:41:30
	Everything that comes.	00:41:33
	By here and.	00:41:35
	That's about it.	00:41:38
	Do you have enough information from the board?	00:41:41
	OK. Thank you.	00:41:44
	All right, the next item on the agenda is 1656.	00:41:46
	When we return.	00:41:53
	They may come from preliminary people.	00:41:55
	That will be up to the design.	00:41:58
	Sure.	00:42:00
	That will be up to the design.	00:42:02
	The application is conceptual or, you know, feedback.	00:42:05
	Is another word.	00:42:09
	And then?	00:42:11
	Conceptual Movement.	00:42:13
	We do not give approval on this preliminary or it's not preliminary this conceptual presentation.	00:42:14
	So it depends on the.	00:42:22
	Design.	00:42:24
	What the next review will be?	00:42:26
	And.	00:42:29
	OK.	00:42:32
	One more thing. Sure.	00:42:33
	This may be out of.	00:42:35
	Father, would you like to say a few words?	00:42:38
	Just wanted to give you the opportunity.	00:42:43
	This Wednesday.	00:42:47
	Yeah, we're behind you 100%.	00:42:49
	We're done, right? Yes.	00:42:53
	We'll let you leave and then we'll go to the next agenda item.	00:42:56
	We have.	00:43:03
	I appreciate it.	00:43:08
	Thank you for listening.	00:43:12
	It's good.	00:43:17
	Thank you. Thank you.	00:43:21
	This just gives you.	00:43:24
	Thank you.	00:43:30
	Hey, Eddie.	00:43:32
	I say this with all respect.	00:43:34
	You can do better.	00:43:37
	I'm I know.	00:43:40
	I know, yeah, change it. But I know you can do better.	00:43:43
	I'm serious.	00:43:50
	And I say it with all respect.	00:43:52
	Hey.	00:43:56
	OK. All right. OK.	00:43:59
	OK.	00:44:01
	Excuse me?	00:44:04
	John.	00:44:07
	OK, next agenda item.	00:44:13
	Right, 1656 Atlantic Ave.	00:44:17
	Thank you, Madam Chair.	00:44:20
	Mr. Clark will recuse himself from this item and.	00:44:22
	As such.	00:44:26
	We'll only be able to review this.	00:44:28
	And provide feedback. We cannot take a vote on the item this evening.	00:44:30
	I'll shut that door.	00:44:36
	So we have a.	00:44:41
	1656 Atlantic Ave. where Bryce Ritchie of Clark Design Group is requesting A conceptual review for renovations to this existing	00:44:43
	home, with a request for additional principal building square footage.	00:44:49
	And principal building coverage area.	00:44:54
	Here's an aerial showing the properties location on Atlantic Ave. mid block Mid block between Station 16 1/2 and Station 17.	00:44:59
	On the opposite side from the ocean.	00:45:07
	This is the historic resource map. You see this property.	00:45:11
	Is a traditional island resource. It was.	00:45:16
	Designated as such last March by this board.	00:45:19
	So outside of any of the historic districts of the town.	00:45:23
	Here's the posting on this property advertising the hearing this evening.	00:45:28
	And on your left you'll see the existing floor plan of the first floor and the proposed.	00:45:35
	Plan for the first floor.	00:45:42
	Taking away these.	00:45:45
	Kind of octagonal.	00:45:48
	Elements squaring those corners.	00:45:51
	Removing this sunroom and replacing it with the rear porch and.	00:45:56
	Portion of the master suite coming.	00:46:01
	Filling in some of that porch area on the side.	00:46:04
	With some extra.	00:46:07
	Livable space.	00:46:08
	And from a facade view.	00:46:12
	Front Facade. This is the existing facade.	00:46:15
	And this is the proposed facade you can see on the 2nd floor that be removing that balcony.	00:46:18
	Then removing this deck on the left hand side and kind of mirroring the porch on.	00:46:23
	The right hand side with the new porch on the left.	00:46:29
	This is an initial review for conceptual review by the board to give feed get feedback.	00:46:37
	As I've stated, this came to the Board in March of 2024 and was designated as historic resource and there were some.	00:46:44
	Approved renovations primarily to the rear porches at that time.	00:46:51
	Current request is to modify those porches on the building, removing the side decking, wrapping the front porch around.	00:46:56
	Removing some heated infill on the rear and replacing it with the covered porch that matches the front porch.	00:47:02
	The applicants requesting small increases in principal building square footage and coverage area to meet these requests. The	00:47:11
	principal building square footage increase is only 39 square feet.	00:47:16
	And the principal building coverage area increase would only be 82 square feet.	00:47:23
	The applicant intends to maintain the historic structure and the changes will only affect non historic components of the home.	00:47:31
	And the proposed design will also require a side facade relief to allow the side facade that has a linear length greater than 38	00:47:37
	feet without articulation.	00:47:42
	The proposed distance between the front porch and the rear of the house.	00:47:47
	On the western facade is 45 feet 9 inches.	00:47:50
	This would represent a 20% increase that is within the.	00:47:53
	Towards purview to.	00:47:57
	Grant that as well.	00:47:59
	The encroachment into the side set back on the western elevation is an existing condition, and as the property is historic, that	00:48:01
	is a conforming condition.	00:48:05
	So these are those.	00:48:10
	This is not the relief request.	00:48:13
	Yes, there.	00:48:16
	One percent 39 square feet for 3062 square foot house.	00:48:17
	And then coverage area increasing by one percent, 82 square feet to go to 2162.	00:48:22
	Staff recommends that the board review and provide feedback to move this design toward final approval.	00:48:29
	Thank you, Charles.	00:48:35
	Good afternoon. I'm Bryce with the Clark Design Group.	00:48:37
	Reviewing 1656 Atlantic Ave.	00:48:40
	In our set we have our survey just looking at.	00:48:48
	Lot size and getting the 1st.	00:48:51
	Picture of what is existing on site.	00:48:54
	Historical background So back in March of 24, we had.	00:48:58
	Butler presentation or.	00:49:02
	Preservation.	00:49:04
	Do a historic report on.	00:49:05
	The structure.	00:49:08
	And basically what we found is.	00:49:09
	The original massing or original building was located in Moultrieville.	00:49:11
	It was part of the.	00:49:16
	The church.	00:49:19
	The and it was used as a schoolhouse.	00:49:20
	Off of Ocella Ave. So that was the original location and then?	00:49:24
	In the 1980s it was saved and there was even an article in the paper.	00:49:29
	How it was then moved and.	00:49:35
	Remodeled as a residence off of Atlantic.	00:49:37
	Looking at some photos.	00:49:44
	As seen from the front of the house, the rear.	00:49:46
	And also the driveway.	00:49:49
	Most everything that we can see is.	00:49:52
	Around the 1980s and after so.	00:49:56
	A lot of renovations have been done.	00:49:58
	Especially on the outside.	00:50:01
	Porches have been added stairs.	00:50:03
	Really. From the report, the most historic.	00:50:06
	Part of the building.	00:50:09
	Is the heart pine floors on the inside and then also just.	00:50:10
	That main massing. So we'll look at some drawings that kind of explain that.	00:50:14
	We wanted to kind of show.	00:50:20
	The floor plans next to each other, comparing.	00:50:22
	What is existing on the left and then what we had previously designed and proposed?	00:50:24
	And then?	00:50:30
	What we are proposing now?	00:50:32
	Same thing comparing elevation so.	00:50:36
	What was existing or what is existing now?	00:50:39
	Previously submitted.	00:50:42
	And, umm.	00:50:43
	Than what we're proposing.	00:50:45
	For the elevations.	00:50:47
	I think one comment and we can look at this further.	00:50:49
	Is.	00:50:52
	We're just infilling the porches and kind of.	00:50:53
	Creating something that matches.	00:50:56
	A lot more of the house at one point when we.	00:50:59
	Previously.	00:51:02
	Umm, designed. We had.	00:51:04
	In addition, off the back and and now the square footage is a bit less and it's mostly enclosed porch.	00:51:06
	Looking at the front Facade 2, we will talk more about it.	00:51:14
	But the Porsches are more equal in size. I know it was a comment last time that.	00:51:17
	Part of the new was a bit.	00:51:22
	Heavy and a bit extended on one side, so we address that as well.	00:51:23
	I'm just looking at the other elevations, comparing each side.	00:51:29
	What was existing?	00:51:32
	Previously submitted and then proposed.	00:51:34
	Getting into the site plan.	00:51:39
	So this is existing.	00:51:41
	Think the biggest thing?	00:51:43
	To note is.	00:51:44
	There's a large non pervious.	00:51:46
	Drive and there is some watershed and some water collection because of this.	00:51:49
	Our principal, Phil, had reached out to the neighbors on both sides.	00:51:55
	And kind of talked about.	00:51:58
	The stormwater and how we are proposing to drain the site.	00:52:00
	That was a concern that.	00:52:04
	We kind of have a preliminary.	00:52:06
	Drainage Plan 4 and.	00:52:09
	I think the two biggest things and we'll talk about it in the.	00:52:11
	Proposed is.	00:52:14
	Umm, towards the lot 1650 there was an existing ditch that we are now.	00:52:17
	Kind of.	00:52:23
	Going to re landscape and open up for drainage on that side.	00:52:24
	And we are also now proposing doing a pervious driveway.	00:52:28
	And then also.	00:52:32
	Some drainage.	00:52:35
	With a French drain essentially in a basin that goes around the building.	00:52:37
	And drains to that pervious driveway. So we're really taking care of all the water that's going to be collecting on site.	00:52:41
	Nice.	00:52:47
	So looking for that, the ground floor plan.	00:52:50
	What's existing? Just talking about removing those.	00:52:54
	Octagonal.	00:52:57
	Sides of the porches.	00:52:58
	And that is the biggest kind of demolition there. Also the stairs in the rear we are also proposing to remove.	00:53:00
	Proposed.	00:53:08
	We're adding the pervious driveway.	00:53:10
	And then also a new rear stair that.	00:53:12
	Is worked into the porch.	00:53:15
	Existing first floor plan.	00:53:20
	So.	00:53:22
	You can see more in detail the different rooms porch sizes.	00:53:23
	Kind of the layout of what is existing now.	00:53:28
	And.	00:53:33
	Showing existing first floor plan diagram you can see.	00:53:35
	Original umm.	00:53:38
	Panel door with sidelights, that's in the front. So that is one part that is also historic that.	00:53:40
	Is original. All the other windows have been replaced.	00:53:45
	You can see by the solid green and green shading.	00:53:49
	What that original historic massing is. So that's the main massing the building.	00:53:52
	And then all the 1980s editions around that have been the porches, the stairs.	00:53:57
	Pretty much.	00:54:02
	The entire going around the entire building.	00:54:03
	Including an enclosed.	00:54:06
	Square footage of a bathroom and a sunroom on the rear.	00:54:09
	So we really.	00:54:16
	Wanted to study like all of the windows and justice make sure that.	00:54:17
	They were not historic and they were not. They were 1980s windows.	00:54:22
	Except for the front door, which.	00:54:27
	Is going to remain.	00:54:29
	And even though they are.	00:54:31
	Not historic. We kind of wanted to keep the same locations of a lot of the windows, especially as seen from the front.	00:54:33
	So we just.	00:54:39
	Took a look at each window.	00:54:40
	Sizes and study each one to make sure.	00:54:42
	This is the demo plan for the first floor plan.	00:54:46
	Getting more into depth about.	00:54:49
	Some of the rooms we are adjusting.	00:54:51
	Still maintain the historic massing.	00:54:53
	Proposed first floor plan.	00:54:57
	Biggest things are.	00:55:01
	We have the two bedrooms towards the back. We are now adding an open rear porch in the back.	00:55:02
	We are taking some of that heated square footage that we're taking away and adding it to the front.	00:55:09
	And sides or more of the sides?	00:55:14
	But you can see in the diagram.	00:55:16
	What was previously enclosed to be opened in the back.	00:55:18
	And then what? A shaded red is proposed new enclosure?	00:55:22
	So that's new heated square footage.	00:55:25
	We wanted to minimize how much.	00:55:28
	We are adding and we try to keep.	00:55:30
	Basically what we're taking away and opening.	00:55:33
	Adding around the same square footage back to.	00:55:36
	Kind of the program of.	00:55:39
	What the client wanted for the house.	00:55:41
	Existing 2nd floor we're not.	00:55:45
	Changing anything as second floor. However the stairs are not to code so that is one thing we're going to be remodeling.	00:55:47
	One thing too is the.	00:55:56
	2nd floor, we're going to be removing that balcony.	00:55:59
	And doors that were added and matching more of what is the rear.	00:56:02
	With the double windows.	00:56:07
	So we'll see that in elevation.	00:56:09
	So on the top is the.	00:56:15
	The front and there's the doors and balcony that we're proposing a move.	00:56:17
	Remove proposed S elevation.	00:56:21
	So really just matching that portion.	00:56:24
	And infilling it and.	00:56:26
	Also adding screen.	00:56:28
	Screen area.	00:56:30
	And the porches are a bit more.	00:56:32
	We got symmetrical.	00:56:34
	Where the design isn't so heavy on the left side.	00:56:36
	Existing waste elevation Proposed W elevation.	00:56:42
	You can see the rear porch addition that we're opening up and adding the stairs.	00:56:46
	Existing N elevation and proposed.	00:56:53
	And that's the rear.	00:56:57
	You can see the open porch in the back.	00:56:59
	The east elevation, so that is where we're requesting.	00:57:04
	That side facade relief.	00:57:09
	We are greater than the 40 feet.	00:57:11
	And.	00:57:13
	We can look at the floor plan again, but that is the master bathroom.	00:57:15
	The scullery and then.	00:57:18
	Also the dining.	00:57:20
	Some perspectives.	00:57:23
	Kind of designing as we went and showing.	00:57:25
	How is this gonna look?	00:57:28
	In perspective and from the street.	00:57:30
	And then also rendering.	00:57:35
	Trying to understand off of Atlantic what that is looking like from the street.	00:57:37
	And then also the driveway.	00:57:41
	And an idea of.	00:57:43
	The rear and the porch in the back.	00:57:45
	All right, that concludes.	00:57:49
	Presentation.	00:57:50
	Thank you, Bryce. Very well done.	00:57:53
	Is there a public comment on this particular agenda item?	00:57:56
	Public comment is closed.	00:58:02
	Bryce, can you go back to?	00:58:04
	The rendering.	00:58:08
	For the relief of the 38 feet, do you have that side?	00:58:10
	Rendered.	00:58:14
	We have a perspective, so I will go to that.	00:58:16
	Yeah, I didn't think you had the rendering.	00:58:18
	Yeah, it's upper right.	00:58:25
	And that side is facing.	00:58:32
	One of the neighbors and there's a lot of foliage there.	00:58:34
	So it's not easily seen from the street.	00:58:37
	And really, even the neighbors too. It's.	00:58:40
	It's really broken up with a lot of trees.	00:58:42
	The porch actually helps to break that.	00:58:47
	And almost creates an articulation.	00:58:51
	Effect for me anyway.	00:58:55
	I'm good with it. I think the I think the proposed is much better than the.	00:58:58
	Previously approved, yeah.	00:59:04
	Version that almost sounds like a commercial.	00:59:07
	But.	00:59:10
	But it's very well done. I I.	00:59:11
	I'm very good with it.	00:59:14
	It was 1985.	00:59:17
	Because I built.	00:59:19
	1650.	00:59:21
	Dave and Elizabeth Moffily built that house and then Stuart Johnson built the corner house We all built at the same time and it	00:59:23
	was like a house building party because we all knew each other.	00:59:28
	So they they had to go across 1650.	00:59:33
	To get this house there, and that was a little bit of an uproar, but.	00:59:38
	We created peace.	00:59:42
	In the Valley.	00:59:44
	But anyway, I love what you did. This is the way I would have done the house in the beginning.	00:59:45
	Beautiful job.	00:59:51
	And my concern too was the length, but the porch does.	00:59:53
	Create a sort of an articulation, yes.	00:59:57
	Yes, normally I would ask you to.	01:00:00
	Define something on that wall because it is rambling, but umm.	01:00:03
	The other question I have is.	01:00:08
	Neighbors. Have you spoken the neighbors and talked with them about the plan?	01:00:10
	Yes, sorry, we had called them.	01:00:15
	Actually this week and talked to both of them and they were.	01:00:18
	In favor, the only thing was yeah, addressing the drainage.	01:00:21
	This site sits a little bit lower, so I think it actually collects a lot of the water and may look like there's flooding there,	01:00:26
	but.	01:00:29
	As we move forward, we're going to have an actual drainage plan by either a landscape architect or civil engineer, so.	01:00:32
	The driveway alone is going to take care of most of.	01:00:39
	I think the lion's share of and I know.	01:00:42
	I know the flood. I see it all the time.	01:00:44
	Yeah, we were at like 38% existing and now we're down to 16%, so.	01:00:47
	Very nice.	01:00:52
	It looks like a house now. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.	01:00:54
	Thank you, Bryce.	01:00:59
	Speaking of the.	01:01:01
	The pervious surface is there thought to.	01:01:03
	Take the all of the concrete out.	01:01:06
	You're going to take the drive, but you're going to leave the parking area, is that right?	01:01:10
	Correct. What's the parking area that's already covered by?	01:01:14
	The House we are proposing to leave.	01:01:18
	And then?	01:01:20
	What's exposed outside?	01:01:22
	Is going to be pervious, so.	01:01:25
	Let me just scroll back.	01:01:28
	There you go.	01:01:30
	OK. I'm misunderstood. Good. So anything you suppose is going to be perfect. That's great. Thank you.	01:01:32
	Do you have any historic, I guess a couple of questions on the historic structure.	01:01:37
	Because it is a, you know, it's a great historic structure and.	01:01:41
	Great pictures, thanks for providing those of what was in the paper and.	01:01:44
	And old historic pictures.	01:01:49
	Is there any the front stairs to the house? Is there any sort of historic?	01:01:51
	Significance as to why that's done, or is it?	01:01:56
	Or do you have any pictures or any renderings?	01:01:58
	Of how it was originally done.	01:02:01
	So the, I guess the most accurate photo that we had.	01:02:05
	Seeing was this when it was being moved so.	01:02:09
	Yeah, you don't get a lot out of that. Yeah, there there was number stare from what we could see.	01:02:13
	Maybe there was some kind of wood frame stair at one point when this house was sitting.	01:02:19
	At a lower elevation.	01:02:23
	But.	01:02:25
	All those porches that have been added in front stair have been from the 80s, yeah.	01:02:26
	Are there historic?	01:02:31
	Of the original historic structure, what's the?	01:02:33
	The base core of it is it.	01:02:37
	That one rectangle.	01:02:39
	But you're going back to, so you're gonna.	01:02:41
	You're going to pull away some of the 1980s.	01:02:43
	Addition, right?	01:02:45
	We are in fact obviously the Octagon porches and and that the main thing is the porches and then some interior walls, but.	01:02:48
	Even those interior walls aren't.	01:02:55
	Original umm.	01:02:57
	The floor plan was really changed quite a bit.	01:02:59
	Right.	01:03:01
	But we're trying not. We're not.	01:03:03
	Changing the main massing that we know is original.	01:03:06
	And the windows I was a little unclear. Are you?	01:03:09
	Going to pull all the windows and replace or is it just a select?	01:03:12
	Number that you're going to pull and replace.	01:03:15
	So they're actually in really good shape.	01:03:18
	And their wood windows? They're not.	01:03:20
	Historic, but they're made to look traditional. So, so we're proposing to keep all of those and then.	01:03:24
	Really.	01:03:31
	There are some areas where.	01:03:33
	We are going to kind of reconfigure walls and.	01:03:37
	Add some windows, but we're going to.	01:03:40
	Probably match as best as we can to what's there. Yeah, OK.	01:03:43
	Yeah, I mean, I would encourage them again, I know your your firm does good work and and I'm sure you're going to recommend to the	01:03:48
	owner the.	01:03:50
	The most appropriate windows to go there.	01:03:54
	The only other thing I think that I had was on.	01:03:56
	Page 8204 just.	01:04:00
	Again, that wall that we've got to do something with. That's, that's all. I mean, it's.	01:04:02
	Think you already acknowledge and understand that we need to break that wall up somehow.	01:04:07
	I think it's a 204 that.	01:04:12
	Yeah.	01:04:15
	Yeah, we just need to.	01:04:17
	Figure something out with that wall.	01:04:19
	And could you put another window in there?	01:04:20
	Or it's, well, you. Yeah, right, right.	01:04:26
	Umm.	01:04:31
	I think there's got to be a better way to.	01:04:35
	We wanted to treat it like.	01:04:38
	The rest of the infills and kind of.	01:04:41
	The siding do more of.	01:04:43
	Closer exposed like shiplap siding that.	01:04:47
	You can see throughout Sullivan's Island when they do infill porches.	01:04:50
	Right.	01:04:54
	And we didn't want to.	01:04:56
	Bump out anything or go past that. Can I ask you that? Yeah.	01:04:57
	I was going to ask you because that would be.	01:05:01
	You know, even a foot.	01:05:03
	Bump out even if you.	01:05:05
	Yeah. But if it's, yeah, if you're doing an infill, you could, you could maybe do something. But again, I just think, again, this	01:05:08
	is conceptual, so just.	01:05:12
	That's something. Let's study on that, OK and see and.	01:05:16
	I bet when you come back next time you're going to have something.	01:05:19
	It's going to look good and make us all happy.	01:05:22
	Yeah. Thank you. That's all I have at this time. Thank you.	01:05:27
	So I've got a little history on the windows because we said some of them.	01:05:30
	When when when the guys didn't show up for work from awfully.	01:05:34
	I'd send my brother and.	01:05:38
	One of the help is over there to help David and Elizabeth.	01:05:40
	And the front steps Funky. Nobody knew what they were doing then.	01:05:42
	And there would be a meeting between Stuart, myself and Demophiles. And they think, what do you think of this? What do you think	01:05:46
	of that? And that's what we picked out.	01:05:50
	So that's historic.	01:05:54
	1985.	01:05:56
	I think they look good, they're centered and.	01:05:58
	I mean as you go up the.	01:06:00
	It's centered on the historic door, so.	01:06:02
	Mm-hmm.	01:06:04
	We had a lot of fun doing those three houses.	01:06:07
	Nice.	01:06:09
	If you would just track the windows, I think that's real important to the board. Obviously is just.	01:06:13
	Just covering all the bases for.	01:06:21
	Each window.	01:06:24
	And the removal?	01:06:26
	Documenting everything for.	01:06:29
	Our purposes.	01:06:33
	What do we think about breaking up the wall?	01:06:35
	It it needs.	01:06:39
	Yeah.	01:06:41
	We'll look forward to seeing you in August, hopefully.	01:06:42
	Do you have enough information, Bryce?	01:06:45
	I do, yeah. OK. Thank you.	01:06:48
	Thank you very much. Appreciate it.	01:06:50
	The next item.	01:06:53
	On the agenda is Non historic Design Reviews, 2910 Jasper Blvd.	01:06:55
	Thank you, Madam Chair, 2910 Jasper Blvd. Doyle Best of Lifestyle Development, LLC requests final approval for a change of design	01:07:02
	to the plans for this new home construction.	01:07:08
	On an empty lot.	01:07:15
	This is the previously existing house that was on this property.	01:07:17
	Showing this.	01:07:22
	And here's the historic resource map. You can see this property is outside of any of the historic districts. There are a couple	01:07:24
	of.	01:07:27
	Historic properties down the street on Jasper from this parcel.	01:07:31
	And here's the.	01:07:35
	Posting advertising this hearing this evening.	01:07:37
	You can see the constructions begun on this property.	01:07:40
	They're proposing 3 changes essentially to the design.	01:07:45
	On the top of the screen you can see what was approved back in 2023.	01:07:50
	The changes are.	01:07:56
	To this.	01:07:59
	Roof shape, removing that window, pulling the roof down a little further, kind of matching the two side 2 front.	01:08:01
	Towers, uh.	01:08:09
	And then some changes to the arches on the entry.	01:08:11
	Way of squaring those.	01:08:16
	Removing the arch ways there.	01:08:20
	And then on the rear facade or the other.	01:08:23
	Changes.	01:08:25
	Again, changing those arched openings.	01:08:28
	Into the basement area to the squaring off those.	01:08:32
	Openings and then.	01:08:37
	Looks like the pool elevation is dropped to the ground and the new drawing.	01:08:39
	And, umm.	01:08:44
	Furthermore, if we look at the site plan.	01:08:46
	The original design of the pool is being.	01:08:49
	Redesigned to.	01:08:53
	Make it a little bit smaller footprint.	01:08:55
	And add a little SPA and pull.	01:08:57
	Pull out from underneath the house.	01:09:00
	This is an initial review for a change of design to a previously approved new home construction project currently underway. The	01:09:04
	applicants seeking final approval for the few design changes that were previously mentioned.	01:09:10
	There's no additional relief requested from the board.	01:09:17
	Staff recommends final approval.	01:09:20
	For the minor aesthetic changes as proposed, as long as the board finds that the design will remain within the standards of	01:09:23
	neighborhood compatibility.	01:09:26
	Thank you, Charles.	01:09:30
	Yes.	01:09:32
	Thank you everybody. A dual best who is our regional project manager couldn't be here yet, held up on the site.	01:09:34
	Subcontractor was running late, which I know is crazy, has never happened before in the history of construction but.	01:09:40
	My name is Luke Cunningham. I'm the business development director for Dealer, Jones says. Thank you all for your time.	01:09:45
	Essentially Charles this.	01:09:51
	The main thing is.	01:09:53
	We're wanting to basically change the massing.	01:09:55
	On the.	01:09:57
	East side suite garage basically would be congruent.	01:10:00
	With the West side of the home.	01:10:03
	Umm, and.	01:10:06
	We feel it kind of makes more cohesion across the board for it so.	01:10:09
	Compared to the excitement of a packed house earlier in Bryces great presentation.	01:10:14
	The excitement level got dropped a little bit with us on this one, but.	01:10:19
	Basically the changes that we're seeking to get approved today.	01:10:22
	OK. Thank you. We're going to open it up to public comment. Is there anyone?	01:10:25
	Wants to speak about this particular agenda item.	01:10:31
	Public comment is closed.	01:10:34
	Funky, would you like to thank you for the project? Yeah, thank you very much.	01:10:37
	Appreciate the brevity.	01:10:43
	The.	01:10:44
	Changes look good. I think it's an improvement over what had.	01:10:46
	We've done a few years ago.	01:10:49
	Just what was the concept in just getting rid of the arches and going square? Just what was the thought process there? I think	01:10:51
	that.	01:10:54
	Mark Twain said Tom forgives a litany of sins. I think we look back at it and just the feel, it was almost like a.	01:10:57
	Kind of freezing this wrong way, but kind of like a Turkish vibe that we didn't really thought.	01:11:06
	Felt congruent with like the island.	01:11:10
	It was a lot of heavy.	01:11:14
	Style implications that we just didn't feel jogged with it and.	01:11:15
	After looking back at, I think it's kind of a wise thing to evaluate. But that was.	01:11:18
	Our feel yeah, I think you like say you've softened it up a bit. It's hardened that part I mean the you know the.	01:11:23
	Curve did help soften some, but I think you've done made-up for it in other areas. I'm good with it, I don't need further.	01:11:30
	OK, umm.	01:11:36
	Can you can.	01:11:41
	Can we bring the?	01:11:42
	Actual plans up.	01:11:43
	I just.	01:11:46
	I like the matching but like the.	01:11:48
	Straight on drawing makes it look like they're in the same plane, in the same location, you know, and in reality, there's still	01:11:51
	this large.	01:11:55
	Exposed Gable behind the hip.	01:11:59
	And so.	01:12:03
	Maybe there's 3DS? I think that showed it and I just want to make sure I understand.	01:12:05
	The difference between what was there I don't want to like. The end result I think we all like.	01:12:09
	Hips on the front, but.	01:12:15
	I don't want it to now leave leave this really large.	01:12:16
	Gable that.	01:12:20
	The previous garage kind of hit it or the previous bump out kind of hit that large Gable. Now it's going to be.	01:12:22
	Still exposed.	01:12:27
	It might have just been that first sheet that was the only one that actually showed it. It's kind of optically weird unless you	01:12:28
	can see them side-by-side. Yeah, you're right, Field.	01:12:32
	Umm umm.	01:12:38
	There you go.	01:12:41
	Yeah, that, that there so.	01:12:42
	Am I right in remembering what was there before? Was it?	01:12:45
	A Gable that almost.	01:12:49
	Sat within that Gable and came out.	01:12:51
	Yes, Sir. OK.	01:12:54
	What's that?	01:12:58
	Yeah, yeah.	01:13:00
	I just.	01:13:03
	All right. So it was always the same. So now it's just it's softening that. That's why I didn't have this.	01:13:06
	Didn't have the comparison, so it's great when somebody gives us a comparison before and after.	01:13:13
	So from that standpoint.	01:13:18
	I think certainly the change in the garage for.	01:13:20
	I think the style of the house, the.	01:13:24
	The porch was actually an interesting.	01:13:27
	Thing with the arches, you know on the porch columns, but.	01:13:30
	But now, can you go back to Charles? I'm sorry, I'm can you jump around?	01:13:33
	That would not not arched. You like it better without the arch.	01:13:39
	OK.	01:13:43
	OK, all right, all right.	01:13:46
	Well then, now that I've compared the before and after, then.	01:13:48
	Good. Thanks. Appreciate it.	01:13:52
	But they kept the red button. That's the important thing.	01:13:53
	Yeah, I love the changes.	01:13:59
	Excellent. Thank you. Fine, I'm fine with it.	01:14:01
	Did you change the materials or just?	01:14:05
	What was outlined to us exactly?	01:14:08
	We kept all the materials. Yes, ma'am. OK.	01:14:11
	OK. I think you've cleaned it up nicer. In my opinion it's a better like I said in the last presentation.	01:14:16
	It's clean and simple and it's.	01:14:25
	More I think it's updated without the arches.	01:14:27
	So I think it looks like it's classic. It could be here.	01:14:33
	You could see this in 10 years and it's still gonna be.	01:14:37
	Timeless, absolutely. Thank you. Especially with not without changing the materials, I think that's.	01:14:40
	I'm good with it.	01:14:47
	Make a motion to approve as submitted for file.	01:14:48
	2nd, Thank you, Officer Tom.	01:14:52
	Pardon.	01:14:54
	Hold on.	01:14:56
	Discussion.	01:14:58
	All in favor.	01:15:00
	Approved and final thank you.	01:15:02
	The next item on the agenda is 2857 Jasper Blvd.	01:15:08
	Yes, Madam Chair, 2857 Jasper Blvd. Just going across the street. Cindy Klein and Wardimer and Klein Landscape Architects is	01:15:14
	requesting final approval.	01:15:18
	Of the plans for a new swimming pool in the backyard of this existing house, with a request for side set back relief.	01:15:23
	Here's an aerial showing that properties location.	01:15:31
	Along Jasper Blvd.	01:15:34
	And the historic resource map. You can see this property is outside of any historic district.	01:15:36
	There are a number of historic.	01:15:42
	Properties in the vicinity.	01:15:44
	The posting on the property advertising in the meeting.	01:15:47
	And.	01:15:50
	Here's the.	01:15:52
	Approved site plan from March of this year.	01:15:54
	Where they're planning some renovations and additions to this home.	01:15:57
	Included a pool design there.	01:16:02
	This is.	01:16:04
	After getting some feedback, I think about landscaping around the trees that.	01:16:06
	Revised the pool plan and are proposing to encroach a little bit onto the site set back over here on the bottom of the screen.	01:16:10
	This is an initial review of a request to build a new pool in the rear of this existing house with the side set back relief. In	01:16:19
	March of this year, the board reviewed, reviewed and approved plans for renovations of the existing home that included minor	01:16:24
	requests for side setback relief and principal building square footage.	01:16:30
	The standard combined set back for this lot would be 38 feet.	01:16:36
	.338 a third feet.	01:16:40
	And with the relief granted in March.	01:16:43
	The required combined set back is currently 36.75 feet.	01:16:46
	And the applicants now requesting reduce the set back by an additional 3.92 feet.	01:16:51
	Or three feet 11 inches, making the combined set back.	01:16:56
	32.	01:17:00
	.83 feet 32 feet 10 inches.	01:17:01
	This is actually a requested for 14.3% relief the combined set back, not the 25% shown on the application.	01:17:06
	And just for clarity, that 14.3% includes the previously granted 4.12%. So the actual request is just under 10% increase in the	01:17:14
	set back relief.	01:17:19
	Numbers.	01:17:27
	Here to show you that in the chart.	01:17:30
	You can see.	01:17:33
	The total requested side set back relief is 14.3, bringing that 38.33 down to 32.83.	01:17:35
	Staff recommends final approval for the minor.	01:17:44
	Aesthetic changes as shown, as long as the board finds that design will remain within the standards of neighborhood compatibility.	01:17:47
	Thank you, Charles.	01:17:55
	Sheila, hi.	01:17:57
	I'm Cindy Klein. I'm Mortimer Incline. Sorry, my apologies. That's going all right.	01:17:58
	We're here this evening with the homeowners.	01:18:04
	Sterling and Emily Morrison and I'll just be very brief, I think, Charles outlined.	01:18:07
	It perfectly well and actually had more numbers than I was prepared to speak to. So thank you, Charles.	01:18:15
	Is it possible to bring the site plan back up?	01:18:23
	Charles.	01:18:26
	Just for reference. Thank you.	01:18:30
	So the proposed design is the one at the bottom there. And just a few things to say about the property the home sits.	01:18:32
	Fairly far back on the lot.	01:18:41
	And adhering to the 25 foot mandatory set back on the rear, which is what we're showing here.	01:18:44
	Kind of pushes.	01:18:51
	The pool.	01:18:53
	Towards the middle of the yard and then there is a large 3032 inch Live Oak.	01:18:54
	There at the back corner of the property, and you'll see that the tree protection zone is kind of dictating where the corner of	01:19:00
	that pool can actually be.	01:19:05
	So in other words, the parameters are kind of setting the pool for us, but by pushing it out a little bit from the design.	01:19:09
	That was previously reviewed.	01:19:17
	We're giving the homeowners a little bit more room for a garden space, A green space in between the rear facade and the and the	01:19:19
	swimming pool.	01:19:23
	That's about it.	01:19:29
	OK. Thank you.	01:19:31
	Is there public comment on this particular agenda item?	01:19:33
	Public comment is closed.	01:19:38
	I have a question just to piggyback on your last statement.	01:19:42
	Is the Live Oak.	01:19:47
	Dictating.	01:19:49
	The position of the.	01:19:51
	Present new presented pool.	01:19:53
	Or is it the size of the pool?	01:19:55
	And the 10% delta that you're asking for?	01:19:58
	The the tree canopy, the tree protection zone is is dictating where the pool can go.	01:20:04
	But is it the size of the pool? If you reduce the size of the pool, would you be asking for the 10% delta?	01:20:11
	So part of the a very important part of the program for the homeowners is to be able to swim laps.	01:20:17
	And so and speaking with Aqua blue pools, this is kind of the the minimum length that they would.	01:20:23
	Recommend What is the size of the pool?	01:20:30
	It is 47 feet long and I believe 12.	01:20:33
	12 feet wide, yes.	01:20:38
	And Sheila, I mean Cindy, I'm sorry. I know Sheila, I apologize. Cindy, what is a typical?	01:20:44
	If there is a typical.	01:20:51
	Whole size.	01:20:53
	A typical poolside. It varies greatly from site to site.	01:20:55
	I would say speaking to the lap pool issue, we usually try to aim for something closer to 50 feet.	01:21:00
	So in this instance we're actually already reducing it a little bit to make it work within the parameters of the site.	01:21:09
	OK.	01:21:19
	Phil how close the pool?	01:21:21
	Now, if this was granted, how close to the property line?	01:21:24
	Is that at 10 feet?	01:21:28
	Believe it's 1111 to 8 inches.	01:21:30
	And what are you? What are you planning for buffer?	01:21:33
	Down there with.	01:21:35
	Bushes and trees and all. Yeah. So a combination of sable palms, OK.	01:21:36
	Under planted with probably a combination of wax Myrtle and.	01:21:42
	Yup, on Holly. So we're trying to go a little bit native on the.	01:21:48
	On the buffer there to separate the two properties and then it would be planted with lower material that was a little bit more	01:21:52
	decorative closer to the pool and then we have a 5 foot fence.	01:21:56
	Along the property as well. Yes, that is correct.	01:22:01
	I I would say that we something similar came before us a few months ago.	01:22:05
	Two months ago, yeah. And I, I feel like this to me.	01:22:11
	This is different than that. That was right next to a beach walk access.	01:22:14
	Whereas this is probably extremely hidden from anybody.	01:22:19
	And so.	01:22:24
	I kind of respect that they're saving the tree, but yeah, can still get what they want. Still fits when the rear set back.	01:22:26
	And I like it. It actually feels like there's more green than.	01:22:32
	The previous one that we had approved so I personally am OK with this.	01:22:35
	Funky did a.	01:22:41
	Ditto.	01:22:45
	OK, I make a motion for final approval as submitted.	01:22:48
	Discussion.	01:22:53
	All in favor.	01:22:55
	Approve for final. Thank you, Cindy. It's all because you're swimming laps.	01:22:57
	Yeah.	01:23:02
	Well, hey, we'll have our eyes on you.	01:23:08
	Can I make a motion? Yes. Let's adjourn.	01:23:12
	All in favor adjourned.	01:23:16
	Thank you.	01:23:19
	Thank you so much.	01:23:22
	Yeah.	01:23:29